Originally Posted by OwnedINC
That was kinda my point though, it's not really up to valve whether or not these games are tradable.
Valve can provide a means to do it, but it's not UP to them whether they are*
That's just redundant. If Valve lose this then publishers have no choice too.
Originally Posted by OwnedINC
I'm not so concerned about the corporations, but the end result of freely trading your games is no different than piracy.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if to counter this publishers just decide to charge 100euros a game instead. *which is my real concern*
Complete rubbish. Selling your games is absolutely nothing like piracy. Your arguments can now be disregarded.
Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead
You are missing what I am saying. I'm not saying they would stop selling to the EU. I'm saying what I think they should do is remove any PHYSICAL PRESENCE they have in the EU (so the EU can't come arrest them or take their servers) and allow people in the EU to go to steam.com and if THEY WANT TO, continue to buy games, download, and play them ... just like normal.
Then what they can do is tell the EU GOVERNMENT to "get bent" (since they don't have a physical presence there). Then the EU GOVERNMENT will either have to TRY (and will most likely fail) to take legal action against them in an international court (which doesn't always work, hence my example of how the EU has blown off the US with extradiction) or block steam.com. If the EU Government does the latter, then the EU customers of Steam will blame the EU Government and NOT Steam for preventing them from playing what they paid for.
Yeah because that's not a totally childish outlook. And no, people would blame Steam for being willfully negligent and purposefully trying to avoid local laws. It's not going to happen. You are living a fantasy pipe dream taht Steama re going to conform to your jaded opinion on reselling licences to games.
Whether Steam have any physical presence in the EU or not, they still do business there and still have to adhere to local law. It's that simple.
Originally Posted by DzillaXx
No what I think he was trying to say was that Valve could leave and give everyone the finger and write EU off till they fix the error in their ways..
Really if Valve wanted to they could cut off all access to steam for all EU users including access to the games they bought and retreat back to America. EU could try and sue them all they want on their own land, but Valve isn't located in the EU and it would be impossible to force them to pay a cent. America isn't the most fond of extraditing, and to sue them from American court would be pretty hard given the fact they didn't do anything wrong here. Hell I could go so some African County and kill a couple of people and flee back to America, and get in no trouble.
While this will never happen, EU should still understand that retaliation would be bad for its users and they would only have themselves to blame for being so one minded.
WOW. Sorry, but that is very telling of how childish and immature you are. You think you could kill people and then the US government wouldn't ship you off to face justice, or even put you in prison yourself? Yeah, ok
There is nothing that the EU is doing that needs to "fix their ways". However, given your comment on killing people, I think it's obvious you need ot fix your ways.