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^ No I don't need help I just view Life in a different way then you do.

I View all intelligent life to be worth equally, if you can get the chair for killing a human then it should be the same for killing a chimp. We are both animals are we not? Only thing we have over everything else is developed vocal chords and a more Intelligent brain. Really we are nothing more then a cadaver holding your brain(you). But the way most people see it, you can take a persons brain and stick it in a cow and then kill it and most wouldn't see a single problem with it. Or if you were to kill a body with a brain dead mind are you actually killing someone? No because they are already dead, Nothing about them other then the cadaver they left behind is left. Yet if you were to kill a live brain dead cadaver in most nations you would be tried for murder. Stick a monkey brain into a human body and then kill it, should you get the same punishment as killing a monkey on its own?

So I can kill a brain dead human and get the chair but if I killed the smartest ape I would get nothing but time. That is logic I don't get
Any intelligent life deserves as much rights as we do. Yet they don't
Or I could harm someone to the point their mind is severely messed up yet they don't die and you still only get time?

Killing doesn't make anyone sick minded, people kill things all the time. Creatures have been killing each other for ages, yet we hold ourselves to be so much better then any other life form it's sickening. While killing is wrong don't get me wrong, but a human life in general is worth no more then any other intelligent creature regardless if you like it or not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring
 
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^ Well, that' clears it up, but that's not how it sounded and you must see that, right?







The best part about this whole debate is that I probably wouldn't sell a single game on my list. I would like to give my stepson the copy of Dawn of War that I have, though. It came in that THQ pack and I don't even like the series. Also, he hijacked his mum's account, so she's lost her copy of Overlord which she'd like back, but begrudges paying for again. If this goes through we'll be able to move these games over.
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Sounds like a logistical nightmare, especially for games that use their own DRM ontop of Steams.

I wonder what would happen if the EU ruled that DRM should be transferable...
Edited by .:hybrid:. - 2/3/13 at 8:27am
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Originally Posted by .:hybrid:. View Post

Sounds like a logistical nightmare, especially for games that use their own DRM ontop of Steams.

I wonder what would happen if the EU ruled that DRM should be transferable...

Well, if they rule in favour and find that Steam must facilitate the transfer of licenses, it'll mean publishers will have to too.
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Originally Posted by DrBrogbo View Post

How can you honestly think its ok for someone else to be entertained by that same good, without the creators getting a dime from it?

The same way I can think it's ok for any form of used or second hand item to be transferred.

I can buy a book, read that book, then sell that book.

I can buy a game license, play that game, then transfer that licenses. Whether or not physical media is included in this transfer is irrelevant. Whoever holds the license is the one entitled to use it.

There is virtually no difference between these actions. Doesn't matter if it's a book, a game, a movie, a hammer, a car, or a glass dildo.
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Straw man? Because video games and movies are so different? They are both intangible goods (again, licenses) from the entertainment industry, which carry legal restrictions, and which, when used up, are inherently worthless.

There is a significant (and obvious) difference between a licensed copy of a movie, and permission to be present during a screening of a movie.
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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

Cars, houses and books all eventually wear out. Cars and houses need regular maintenance to continue to work.

Digital copies of games do not.

Apples and Oranges.

I can think of several physical objects/durable goods that are much more permanent than digital data.

Most forms of storage media are quite transient, and uncorrectable errors when copying data are almost inevitable in the long run.

Not that I see how the eventual requirement of maintenance or replacement is at all relevant. I'm sure that whoever sold my great grandfather this hammer that I still carry on my tool belt knew full well that it was likely to last way longer than he was, and that many people would own that single item.
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If the Americans posts in this thread are a major representation of the way most Americans think when it comes to corporations and their consumer rights then they are completely screwed and I'm glad I live nowhere near there.
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If the Americans posts in this thread are a major representation of the way most Americans think when it comes to corporations and their consumer rights then they are completely screwed and I'm glad I live nowhere near there.


It's not and to make such an assumption would not be a very enlightened or objective thing to do.
 
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Well that's good to hear wink.gif
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I don't really think it's an issue of rights in the way most people would argue. Personally, I'm all for businesses being able to offer whatever terms they like. I can, and usually do, simply refuse the give them my money.

I think it's more an issue of false advertising and deception. They say things like "sale", "purchase", and "buy", when they really mean rent, lease, or preview. You generally have to read through volumes of legalese before you know exactly what you can or cannot do within the terms of most digital content licenses. Customers are being mislead, and because publishers have gotten away with this for so long, they don't even have to offer the product that many people think they are buying.
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I don't agree with the being able to re sell digitally purchased games but I do agree that the games we buy through steam should be OUR property not valves. I hate that they reserve the right to ban someones steam account even if it's worth thousands.
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