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Originally Posted by GrizzleBoy View Post

In response to the "you don't own the games, you only buy a license".

The fact that so many people see it this way means we've already lost. Believing you shouldn't be allowed to sell something just because you currently can't is exactly what they want you to believe.

Edit: Fixed the quote for you, NinjaToast.
Edited by Forceman - 2/1/13 at 1:01pm
post #52 of 503
About time someone picked on this. Hope valve are forced to implement this.
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Originally Posted by GingerJohn View Post

One word for you:

Precedent.


A lot of legal systems are built on precedent, once it has been set (either way) it can and will be referenced in any future cases.

Should Valve lose this case then a lot of other services will not even bother going to court if prosecuted as settling out of court will most likely have the same outcome for a lot less time and money.

Basically the domino effect.
Same thing that happen with a lot of cyberlockers not long ago.
    
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Originally Posted by GingerJohn View Post

One word for you:

Precedent.


A lot of legal systems are built on precedent, once it has been set (either way) it can and will be referenced in any future cases.

Should Valve lose this case then a lot of other services will not even bother going to court if prosecuted as settling out of court will most likely have the same outcome for a lot less time and money.

Correct. Something has to be done. The only way to do it is by starting this way. Take it to court. Move up in the court system. Some times you just have to play the game in order to get anything accomplished. I bet most, if not all, the civil rights laws came from some sort of initial court case that eventually made it to a higher court that eventually bacame law. So what if it doesn't work this time. But if Valve loses it sets the floor for bigger and better cases against them hopefully changing things. Watch the movie Lincoln. It's a great example. Lincoln explains the concept perfectly in a scene with Stevens. Sometimes you have to just give small jabs until the right oppotunity arises to throught the haymaker.
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The fact that so many people see it this way means we've already lost. Believing you shouldn't be allowed to sell something just because you currently can't is exactly what they want you to believe.

He did not say nor implied that you shouldn't be allowed to sell your PC games. xD

Edit: Least you took the quote out that made what you said make no sense. xD
Edited by NinjaToast - 2/1/13 at 12:35pm
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I have a feeling that if Valve loses, that game developers will simply go the route of not providing the same services for used games.
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I have a feeling that if Valve loses, that game developers will simply go the route of not providing the same services for used games.

Could be like BF3 on consoles, new, they came with a key to get online access. After that, to get online access back you had to pay $10 for a new online key. I believe bulletstorm has a similar way of doing things as well.
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Could be like BF3 on consoles, new, they came with a key to get online access. After that, to get online access back you had to pay $10 for a new online key. I believe bulletstorm has a similar way of doing things as well.

Yup, EA has been using online passes on consoles.
 
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About time someone picked on this. Hope valve are forced to implement this.

Yes indeed. As much as I like Steam I do think people should have the option to transfer games. Really all anyone is asking here is the possibility to transfer a game form one steam account to another. Its not like valve needs or even should have to have a full built in used games sale system.
    
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I really hope the EU gets Steam to allow second hand games (even if only in Europe). It would be sweet to see any "anti-used games" system from Sony or MS pronounced illegal.

Exactly what I want to see happen.
 
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