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What about the publishers? do they get a cut?

No, why should they?
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Why should Valve offer a service if they can't make money from it? They are a bussiness afterall to make profit.

Because they aren't allowed ot get in the way of your rights? IF the courts dictate they hav eot allow you to sell games, then they have to make that available, or stop operating in Europe... which isn't going to happen.
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That's your first mistake.

Steam isn't just a retailer. Its a cloud service.

Erm, there is no mistake. Steam sell you something and then deny you the right to sell it on.
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Dude why is it that used sales works in every other place except digital material. The ANSWER is GREED! Because of the physical ability of software companies to write code to prevent used sales etc is the only reason this happens. So what if EA doesn't make money on the used game. They already made on money on the game. Toyota doesn't make money on my used Carola when joe neighbor buys it from me. Software companies have no right to make a profit off used games. They sold the product. its over. Done. Asus sure isn't taking a cut of every used motherboard sale on OCN. They seem to be doing fine.
And to the guy that said by a used game for cheap and sell for 75%PROFIT or something, who would seriously buy that? I would buy the cheaper product every time. So good luck with your profit that high. The only issue with used digital copies is that it kinda doesnt matter that it is used. So basically the used copy is as good as the new copy. but that does NOT mean you should be restricted from reselling it.

REALLY? Used games work in the console market? Should tell that to EA because you have to pay for an online pass to play their newest titles online(if bought used) or the fact Sony wants to block second hand games. Greed yes, but your argument is invalid as it does not work even in the console space at this point because companies want a slice of the used market pie and they do have a right to it because they made the product, business does not follow your way of thinking.
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Buy all the games at 75% off sell all the games at full price.... yeah thats gonna be fun.

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exactly, I see no logical way this can work, and work successfully at that. Used games are pointless when you have the publishers and developers themselves offering their games up at a steep discount. We'll just see sale prices a lot less often.

There are far more pressing issues when it comes to digital distribution IMO, like whether or not you actually own the game or your license can be revoked at any minute.


This.
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Erm, there is no mistake. Steam sell you something and then deny you the right to sell it on.

Again, that is not self evidently wrong.
There are many things you can buy that are not transferable. I already named one, a Disneyland season pass.

Your argument hangs on defining steam purchases as a product, and not a service. Direct2Drive might be a product, but Steam is definitely a service.
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Again, that is not self evidently wrong.
There are many things you can buy that are not transferable. I already named one, a Disneyland season pass.

Your argument hangs on defining steam purchases as a product, and not a service. Direct2Drive might be a product, but Steam is definitely a service.

Steam is a service, the game is the product, and the EU courts have said you have the right to resell a licence for a product you bought and the owner loses the right to limit the resale. Steam isn't the copyright owner, but they ARE the ones that limit and tie the game to your account.
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They could just have a Auction House on Steam and Steam get a cut or something.
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Steam is a service, the game is the product, and the EU courts have said you have the right to resell a licence for a product you bought and the owner loses the right to limit the resale. Steam isn't the copyright owner, but they ARE the ones that limit and tie the game to your account.

So steam has to spend money on bandwith for you and you don't pay them anything...
They are a bussiness trying to make money not a charity.
    
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So steam has to spend money on bandwith for you and you don't pay them anything...
They are a bussiness trying to make money not a charity.

They are paid when the game sale is first made and they take a ~30% cut of the price. No, they do not have a right to a cut on your resale. The law says you are entitled to resell the product and since the ONLY way of doing that would be a transfer from steam to steam, I don't see why they should get a cut due to being the monopoly on that product.
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I doubt it, if anything Valve will just retreat from that area. I don't think the amount of money it would take valve to implement Resale into Stream wouldn't be worth it for them. When they could just leave, PC gaming may be big in Germany but most of the profit sill comes from UK and USA.

I would love a good resale system, but only games that are able to be resold should. Steam will eventually allow you to trade certain games like it already does for some, and sell. But in good time, as in a few years.
And since germany and uk both belong to eu i bet uk gamers would follow the suit...
Besides, please do prove that uk brings more profits from gaming vs germany.... (just looking at the population ~60mil for uk and ~80 mil for germany I would bet quite opposite)
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As for the idiotic "buy games at 75% off and resell" comments.

Steam could quite simply say you can't sell for more than you paid for it. They stop the ability to make a profit on the sales AND they still adhere to the right to resell. Problem solved. Buy a game for £3? Can't sell it for more than £3.
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