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That's false, actually.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2012-vga-gpgpu/25-Noise-level-Load,2983.html
Asus HD 7950 DirectCU II: 36.90 dBa (load)
Asus GTX 660 Ti DirectCU II: 32.20 dBa (load)
4 dBa difference, and the 7950 is significantly faster than the 660 Ti.

Now, let's look at the temps:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2012-vga-gpgpu/21-Temperature-Load,2979.html
Asus HD 7950 DirectCU II: 70°C (load)
Asus GTX 660 Ti DirectCU II: 68°C (load)

BTW, it's Kepler, not Keplar.

So in both situations the keplEr excels over the AMD wink.gif and the 670 is cooler than the 660ti wink.gif Plus in SLI these two temps can make such a great difference MATE smile.gif
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Gtx 680 ftw ran @ 60s

Sapphire 7970 ran @ 60s

Buying a 670 over a 7970 just seems lol when they are the exact same price...but hey people like green I guess.
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x2 in CF
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This is what I am thinking as of now. I figure the only way I can truely understand AMD fanboys is to actually buy and try them. That way in the future I can make some honest decisions with either Nvidia or AMD video cards. Heck, either way 2 of those cards will be kickazz. Si is it safe to say the rest of my gear combined with the new stuff will be ok. I still have a few weeks until I make the order so... Also if the game promo is still going on I can get 4 free games with the video cards. Keep 2 and sell 2.
Let me know what you guys think. This fits within my budget +/- a few bucks.

Thanks

Terry

EDIT: Once this is all done an said I will have my board, cpu, and 2 gpu's for sale. I still have all boxes for everything and reciepts from Newegg bought in late 2011.
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That way in the future I can make some honest decisions with either Nvidia or AMD video cards.

Things change with new drivers, new generation of cards and specific models... that's why no one can truly say "AMD is better than Nvidia" or "Nvidia is better than AMD".

- Regarding your list it looks good, I would just go with Arctic MX-4 instead of Arctic Silver 5 (the MX-4 is newer, easier to apply and slightly better), also I wouldn't pick the Xigmatek fans you can have better for the price and the stock fans of the H100i are GREAT already (unlike the first H100 - the fans here are SP120L's, PWM variant of the SP120), also 4x fans will not make a significant difference vs. 2 so I'd just keep as it is - the H100i provides great cooling out-of-the-box. thumb.gif
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Things change with new drivers, new generation of cards and specific models... that's why no one can truly say "AMD is better than Nvidia" or "Nvidia is better than AMD".

- Regarding your list it looks good, I would just go with Arctic MX-4 instead of Arctic Silver 5 (the MX-4 is newer, easier to apply and slightly better), also I wouldn't pick the Xigmatek fans you can have better for the price and the stock fans of the H100i are GREAT already (unlike the first H100 - the fans here are SP120L's, PWM variant of the SP120), also 4x fans will not make a significant difference vs. 2 so I'd just keep as it is - the H100i provides great cooling out-of-the-box. thumb.gif

Artic MX-4 now on the list. As for the fans, I am taking a different approach. I will now be doing a full water cooled setup. I have always wanted to and I figure I am getting all this now so whats a little bit more cash. Full cover water blocks for both cards, 2 rads, cpu block, the whole setup. I have started a new thread in the water cooled section. If you know anything about that I could use some tips before I buy. I have the full list there.
Thanks for your help/support.

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Ok guys, I have revamped the list a bit and added the water cooling parts as well. I have been banging my head on the walls for days now trying to decide what I should get within my budget. I always jump the gun when buying stuff then regret it later. My budget is now $3000 shipped out the door. Is this list the best for the parts I already have as well as the parts I am ordering. Does everything match up and/or is anything left out. I just want to make sure before I hit the order button. The only issue I see is all the extra fittings due to not knowing for sure of the radiator placement whether it be inside with me modding the case or outside on top with some rad clips. Any help before I buy would be greatly appreciated. The last time I ordered parts ( what I have now) I ordered a MATX board and regreted it like no other. To small for dual gpu's. It does work tho but the one card can get warmer. Anyways like I said if anything I have here in the list can be refined in anyway I am all ears.


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Thanks

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Edited by Divey - 2/5/13 at 2:07am
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In all honesty, this came up yesterday. The 600 series is overpriced and offset by the lack of a truly competing chip from AMD. When you combine the facts that there is no real flagship core AMD offering and the TSMC shortage, all NVidia cards in this series are very overpriced. the 670 is not in line with the previous generations since the 300 series. None of the cards are in fact, the flagship card 680 is actually the mid-range kepler chip. The performance of this midrange chip was so much better than AMD's offering that nvidia was able to put the silicon at a much higher price point. This comes at a cost of performance when high resolutions, display counts, and high refresh rates are utilized. The 256bit memory interface on the FLAGSHIP card limits the GPU performance tremendously.

GTX580 - Here
GTX680 - Here

If you want to put the perspective correctly, the GTX680 should actually be something like a 665Ti, a 670 should be a 660Ti and the 660Ti should just be the plain old 660. The real GPU flagship never made it to the 600 series, and NVidia laughed all the way to the bank while we blew our cash on good performing, but lower end stuff. But hey, they will paper release the Titan, call it a 600 card and price it stupidly high for the limited run, because it would blow their other 660+ offerings out of the water if they really released big kepler.

Also, crossfire sucks, especially when you get to large resolutions and refresh rates with high GPU counts, as all the data output needs to go through the first card, and the PCIe lanes get flooded with cross talk.
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In all honesty, this came up yesterday. The 600 series is overpriced and offset by the lack of a truly competing chip from AMD. When you combine the facts that there is no real flagship core AMD offering and the TSMC shortage, all NVidia cards in this series are very overpriced. the 670 is not in line with the previous generations since the 300 series. None of the cards are in fact, the flagship card 680 is actually the mid-range kepler chip. The performance of this midrange chip was so much better than AMD's offering that nvidia was able to put the silicon at a much higher price point. This comes at a cost of performance when high resolutions, display counts, and high refresh rates are utilized. The 256bit memory interface on the FLAGSHIP card limits the GPU performance tremendously.

GTX580 - Here
GTX680 - Here

If you want to put the perspective correctly, the GTX680 should actually be something like a 665Ti, a 670 should be a 660Ti and the 660Ti should just be the plain old 660. The real GPU flagship never made it to the 600 series, and NVidia laughed all the way to the bank while we blew our cash on good performing, but lower end stuff. But hey, they will paper release the Titan, call it a 600 card and price it stupidly high for the limited run, because it would blow their other 660+ offerings out of the water if they really released big kepler.

Also, crossfire sucks, especially when you get to large resolutions and refresh rates with high GPU counts, as all the data output needs to go through the first card, and the PCIe lanes get flooded with cross talk.

Posts like these make me want to refund my newly purchased 670 mad.gif Should have gone AMD !
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Posts like these make me want to refund my newly purchased 670 mad.gif Should have gone AMD !

The moral of the story is which way do you want to be screwed? Raw performance in single card? AMD all the way, multi card, NVidia all the way because of the microstutter issues with CFX at high resolutions. Frametimes are better with Nvidia but the raw FPS is higher on AMD.

What we need is AMD collectively to pull their heads out of their rears, and compete with Intel and Nvidia so we don't keep getting price gouged for inferior goods. Even the $1,000 GTX690 has the same crappy memory interface.
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Maybe consider switching up the case if your doing full on water cooling
 
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