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Im in need of a new keyboard. Ive been using a generic asus keyboard and mouse for......years. I figured now that I have a job (and a $2000 build coming up) I might as well treat myself to some nice equipment.

What I do :
So, I'm not SUPER hardcore with gaming. I can spend 8 hours on CS:S or minecraft, but I plan to start expanding my library tongue.gif
The rest of the time I'm browsing and chatting. I do find my wrists getting sore a lot though.

What I like :
I love low profile keys (haven't used anything else in years)
I love backlighting (have it on my laptop)
Customizable keys.....don't know if I'd use them or not. I have tons of binds, but I seem to manage.
Wireless......yeah, doubt I'll get it but I'd definitally like it.

I like the G110 for its.....everything. It looks really good.
G510 looks cool and all, but I don't know if I can justify the price.
I've seen some people on here SWEAR by mechanical keyboards. I'm not quite sure what the big deal is there? The Razer Black Widow looks good, but each key....clicks like a mouse? That sounds annoying.


*Update*
So, I have pretty much narrowed it down to a CM Storm Trigger keyboard. The problem is, which switch should I get?
I think the blacks would make double tapping easier, because they rise faster than they others, but I don't know if I'll be missing out on anything the others offer.

I love my low profile keys which take ~60g to press.
I dont mind the old rubber keyboard I have with high profile keys and ~45g.

The MX Black is about half price of all the others, and will allow me to get a nice mouse aswell. should I jump on that?
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I think anybody that is serious about their peripherals would use a mechanical keyboard (assuming they have the cash).

http://www.overclock.net/t/491752/mechanical-keyboard-guide

This sticky has tons of information. Mechanical keyboards last just about forever (IBM Model M from the 80's still going strong if I'm correct). Some dude in a Lamhborgini drove over the same model of the keyboard I have (CM Storm Trigger) and the plastic didn't even look damaged! Build quality is one thing.

Another is the feel of the keys. People that have taken the plunge into mechanical have a hard time adjusting back to rubber dome keyboards (rhe word people use is 'mushy'); the typing experience is more of a pleasure. Each key can have the keycaps removed, replaced, customized into a million different ways, including add pictures or change colors. (some guys have an obsession with modding every aspect of their mechanical keyboards...)



You can usually replace the leds if one dies as well. Because there are many switches, each with a different characteristic, you can pick the one you like best out of all of them for more enjoyment, and you can swap it out (although that takes some time and effort) to change all or some of the switches (some like a comination of different switches). Need to clean underneath the keys? Pull them out !
Finally, there is touch typing. Many mechanical keyboards have tactile feedback, and the difference in pressure as you type lets your brain know when you have actuated a key. You don't need to pully depress a key, so some take advantage of this and depress each key half-way to try to type fater with less fatigue. You can also decide how much pressure it takes to depress a key.

My opinions:
Blue switches - Best for typing, great tactile feedback, bit loud due to the clicky nature; the clicky noise you hear was probably due to the blue switches.
Black - Good for gaming (takes more force to depress. Non-tactile nature some like to very quick double-tapping)
Red - Blacks, but less force to press
Browns: A good compromise between blues and reds, I think. This is my switch. It's quieter than the blues, but still has some tactile feedback. I would prefer more tactile feedback though.

Reds and Browns require the least force to actuate, with blues closely behind, clears, blacks, then greens. Some people complain that having a switch that is too light might mean accidently pressing a key just by resting your fingers on it... I think that's a load of hooey, and I like very light switches.

Clears and greens are more uncommon. I have a CM Storm Trigger, for $100 (it was on asle for $70, but it wasn't my switch). It has 5 dedicated macro keys, numpad, media keys... Optional wrist wrest, two USB ports, 5 led brightness options, etc. It's a good deal and I do recommend it. If some dude can run a car over it, the build quality can't be too bad.

I have a lengthy review in my signitiure for this keyboard... I actually macro-scripted my entire numpad into a 'macro-pad', but the dedicated macro keys have some real oomph if you use extensive macros in games (which I don't).



Oh yeah, this keyboard is made with 'Costar stabilizers', which means it's a wee bit better than some of the cheaper mechanicals with Cherry stabiliers.

Some may recommend Topre/Filco, but those cost much more. The Das is cool, but it has zero macro keys or backlighting.

(Yes, CM Storm trigger is corded, but batteries annoy me greatly!)

I personally like my Razer Abyssus, but I would not say Razer makes the best build quality products. Some of us really love our keyboards heavy (won't slide around and is generally a testament to build quality).
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Don't ruin a 2k build with a cheap membrane keyboard go fully mechanical, their are quiet mechanical keyboard just make sure the switches are linear like Black or Red switches. Also there the Logitech 710+ it has the tactile feedback but has dampening rings under the keycapsto reduce noise distractions.

http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Mechanical-Keyboard-Tactile-High-Speed/dp/B009C98NPY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359758091&sr=8-1&keywords=logitech+710%2B

Mionix Zibal 60 with Cherry Black switches
http://www.amazon.com/Mionix-Zibal-60-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B004YZV1JQ
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Yes, those blacks are quiet things... One can also get O rings to try to make it ninja-quiet, but I think you'll like browns, it doesn't have the clicky noise and is still a pleasure to type on while being viable for gaming.
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Different people look for different things. For example, I look for the correct feel and feedback from the keys first and foremost, which is why I went mechanical. The other things l like about keyboards is when they have a small footprint, which is why I went tenkeyless, and have a simple elegant design rather than something deathstar inspired. Finally, durability is a big issue for me. If a peripheral is not durable, I wont even touch it.

Others go for the exact opposite. They want the mediakeys, backlighting, Macro's and extra USB ports. i just personally do not use those things, but others may have different habits and preferences.

That said, I dont see why you would pay more than maybe 40 bucks for any non-mechanical keyboard. When it comes to rubber domes, some of the best options like the Sidewinder X4 are only about that price. I would only pay more if I went mechanical.

As for which kind of mechanical switch you should go for, that is mostly personal preference. I love reds for gaming, but for typing I find them a little annoying. I keep accidentally hitting keys even after using it for more than a year. Blacks put too much strain on my fingers and the force required to use them annoys me. Blues are awesome for typing but in some games, the feel of the blues and having to go through that tactile "bump" every time you press a key can get annoying. Browns are a happy medium for me. Great for typing imo and good for gaming.
Edited by kazuyamishima - 2/1/13 at 5:44pm
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Alright, well you guys talked me into the mechanical. Now...
I'd like to keep the keyboard below $100. I was TRYING to spend $100 on both a new mouse AND a new keyboard, but that's not going to happen.

I don't know which switches to go for. I don't want to be accedently pressing keys, and I'd like to be able to double-tap pretty fast. So the Cherry MX Reds raise concernes for me.

This features MX Red switches, but its at a good price. Hows it look?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823129010

And there are still so many choices of keyboard. I'm quite sure I want the backlighting.

Edit : I found that for me to press the keys on my laptop, it takes 60g of force. Keep in mind these are low profile keys. I also have an old keyboard with very high profile keys that presses at 45g. Both of these are the rubber-type keyboard. How would this translate into mechanical?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823129009
$45 after MIR and making a new account. Seems like a great deal, but I wonder, why is black 1/3 the price of the brown? just less popular?
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I don't want to be accedently pressing keys, and I'd like to be able to double-tap pretty fast. So the Cherry MX Reds raise concernes for me.

That makes it sound like MX Black would be good for you.
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The Storm Trigger with blacks is still like $70-80 on Newegg. If you want blacks, I think it's stupid not to get it at that price. If you want browns, those are up to $109 on Newegg, so shopping around may be worthwhile...

If you get the blacks, you get 5 macro keys, full size keyboard, led, 2 usb ports, media keys, mechanical switches, AND be able to buy a mouse at the same time (say, an Abyssus)..
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Thread Starter 
the deal ends tonight, so I'm bumping.
I'm really stingy so I just need a little more confirmation I won't be dissapointed.
Thanks for the help so far guys!
Edited by TehOnlyMITTENS - 2/2/13 at 3:18pm
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I don't know if you'll want blacks.

They are A) Linear (no feedback letting you know you depressed keys, and might be better for double-tapping fast but not as cool for typing in general) and B) Heavier switches, meaning it take s a lil' bit more force to depress.
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