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My head hurts...

once again, you can have more than one direct competitor...
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post #52 of 86
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Originally Posted by Trogdor View Post

If Apple and Samsung are direct competitors, what are Samsung and HTC?

Ah the accusations about my character are showing up, debating terms and definitions with these kind of people sure is fun!

If Apple and Samsung are direct competitors, what are Samsung and HTC?

Another definition that seems to be beyond the likes of some users. This isn't trolling.

With things being spelled out so crystal-clearly by so many people about a very simple topic, it's unavoidable that your motives and/or state of mind come into question past a certain point.

If this isn't trolling, then it's frightening.
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If Apple and Samsung are direct competitors, what are Samsung and HTC?
Ah the accusations about my character are showing up, debating terms and definitions with these kind of people sure is fun!

If Apple and Samsung are direct competitors, what are Samsung and HTC?
Another definition that seems to be beyond the likes of some users. This isn't trolling.

You are REALLY grasping at straws here. Apple and Samsung are undeniably direct competitors.

If Joe Schmo walks into a Fry's Electronics to get a phone, do they walk out with a brand new iPhone and Galaxy S3? No. They get one OR the other. They both serve literally the exact same purpose, and execute smartphone-specific tasks in almost the exact same way.

They are built of extremely similar hardware serving extremely similar purposes. You can get all tied up in the semantics of their products not being completely identical, but that is not the only thing that makes up direct competitors. Otherwise, Toyota (and all other car manufacturers) would have no direct competitors, video game companies would have no direct competitors, hardware manufacturers would have no direct competitors, and neither would any of a million other market segments. Do you think the term direct competitors only applies when you're deciding whether to buy your power supply from Best Buy or Newegg?

You made a weak point and dug your heels in. Just let it go.
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post #54 of 86
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Direct competitors as well..

So all the smartphone manufacturers that sell Android powered smartphones are direct competitors of each other as well as Apple, who uses an OS that's completely different. In your mind is that an accurate statement?

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Originally Posted by CaptainChaos View Post

My head hurts...

once again, you can have more than one direct competitor...

Words all mean the same thing to you too?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaldari View Post

With things being spelled out so crystal-clearly by so many people about a very simple topic, it's unavoidable that your motives and/or state of mind come into question past a certain point.

If this isn't trolling, then it's frightening.

I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding how two different definitions can mean the same thing. I'll just start referring to iOS as Unix here since words can have multiple definitions depending on the company.
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post #55 of 86
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So all the smartphone manufacturers that sell Android powered smartphones are direct competitors of each other as well as Apple, who uses an OS that's completely different. In your mind is that an accurate statement?

That is a 100% accurate statement. The OS being different means nothing as to what you're arguing because they accomplish the same goal in the same price-range. They all make calls, allow web-browsing, have games and apps, etc. The OS is essentially an aesthetic or flavor choice for the most part. People buy any of them for the same reasons and to accomplish the same things. They're all competing for the same marketshare. Anywhere marketshare can go from one manufacturer to another and to another, all of the parties involved are competitors. Again, this is an insanely simple concept.
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You are REALLY grasping at straws here. Apple and Samsung are undeniably direct competitors.

If Joe Schmo walks into a Fry's Electronics to get a phone, do they walk out with a brand new iPhone and Galaxy S3? No. They get one OR the other. They both serve literally the exact same purpose, and execute smartphone-specific tasks in almost the exact same way.

They are built of extremely similar hardware serving extremely similar purposes. You can get all tied up in the semantics of their products not being completely identical, but that is not the only thing that makes up direct competitors. Otherwise, Toyota (and all other car manufacturers) would have no direct competitors, video game companies would have no direct competitors, hardware manufacturers would have no direct competitors, and neither would any of a million other market segments. Do you think the term direct competitors only applies when you're deciding whether to buy your power supply from Best Buy or Newegg?

You made a weak point and dug your heels in. Just let it go.

I'll ask you the same thing I asked others, what are manufacturers of smartphones using the same Android OS? Are they direct or indirect competitors? If they're direct, what is Apple to Samsung? If they're direct, what's an indirect competitor?
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lmao... this cant be real life

I'm bowing out of this one I think.
If we're being trolled no need to feed it any further, and if we aren't, well I dunno.
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post #58 of 86
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lmao... this cant be real life

I'm bowing out of this one I think.
If we're being trolled no need to feed it any further, and if we aren't, well I dunno.

I just read the last couple of pages and... what?

Have fun guys >.>
post #59 of 86
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trogdor View Post

Why is Apple being compared to Samsung, they aren't competitors.

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Originally Posted by Kaldari View Post

That is a 100% accurate statement. The OS being different means nothing as to what you're arguing because they accomplish the same goal in the same price-range. They all make calls, allow web-browsing, have games and apps, etc. The OS is essentially an aesthetic or flavor choice for the most part. People buy any of them for the same reasons and to accomplish the same things. They're all competing for the same marketshare. Anywhere marketshare can go from one manufacturer to another and to another, all of the parties involved are competitors. Again, this is an insanely simple concept.

The OS is everything of what I'm arguing! The OS is the deciding factor since it is the most used software on a smartphone by the user! It's why informed consumers buy what they buy.

Why do you think I made the comparison between Ram trucks and Ferrari? They both transport people and their things. EDIT: Super vague just like how you describe smartphones: they make calls, access the internet and have games and apps.

This is why they're indirect competitors and not direct competitors. Apple offers a different experience than Android, hence why people sway one way or the other.
Edited by Trogdor - 2/1/13 at 11:40pm
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ok screw it I'll throw you a bone...

and here's an analogy that works. You have a movie theater, on the other side of the street is another movie theater. These two are direct competitors. Now you also have Netflix. Netflix is indirect competition with the Movie Theater since people may decide to stay home and watch a movie thus costing the Movie Theater potential customers.

Now lets track back a little and go back to the two movie theaters. The first movie theater uses all Sony 4k digital projectors and offers stadium seating, the second movie theater uses NEC projectors and doesnt use stadium seating. Despite these differences they still remain direct competitors because they are competing in the same market for the same set of consumers.
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