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Performance is the goal here for video editing, playing games a little, and very in-depth cpu heavy coding.

Currently looking at building with the following... (Bold areas are what I am most concerned with)

Case will be Extended U2-UFO (Going to create your own I think but cost is a lot...)
* Intel i7 3930k
* ASUS Rampage IV Extreme (Used the 2 for an older build and has nice overclocking options unless there is a better option)
Corsair AX1200i
* EVGA 04G-P4-2686-KR 4GB 680 (Reference?)
Intel 520 SSD 180 GB
G. Skill F3-2133C11Q-32GZL 4 x 8GB Ripjaws Z 11-11-11-31 Timing 1.5 V Rated 2133Mhz

Now here is the hard(new and unknown with little experience hands on) part for me...

I want to liquid cool the asterisked items up above using two pumps/reservoirs eventually or immediately if economically viable. Anyways I need the case to be closed out now(no openings and don't want fillers for the time being) so plan on going with 3 radiators at 4 x 120mm on the top of this case with fans in push pull configuration throwing the air up out of the case. Then some fan controllers in the front portion to control the radiator fans(there will be no other fans or fans in the front throwing air forwards out of the case). As for the reservoirs I was looking into two to be placed in the front of the case with the pumps directly beneath them (fan controls beneath these unless for function the pump is better suited further below). I aim to have the cpu on it's own radiator then have the GPU(eventually a SLIed additional unit) and the motherboard on the two other radiators; These runs will have their own pump/reservoir.

I really want input on this so I can take other viewpoints into account. Then I have some questions.

First, will that be enough power for the system or do I need a second PSU?

Second, I've read that 1.5v on Sandy Bridge is a better more reliable option with caps in performance seen at roughly 2133 Mhz so if this is true is this the best option or is there something else? Also is it a good idea to get fans for this memory(i.e. F3-17000CL11Q-32GBZL on newegg vs F3-2133C11Q-32GZL on newegg) Should I spend more on the Vengeance for 10-11-11-31 timings? Liquid cool the memory or is it truly pointless and fine in a somewhat enclosed case?

Third, I'm planning on GT Ice Radiators as from what I've seen they perform very well although is there a more price efficient option or something that works better? Anyone have some additional performance charts that accurately support their thoughts?

Fourth, same as radiators except looking at swiftech apogee HD just wondering if there is something thats a better performer or same performer at lower cost.

Fifth, do there happen to be reservoirs that will slightly chill coolant? I can not seem to find any

Sixth, not really sure on the pump so what is a good pump at around 100-150 dollar range maybe more if it's value is there. Currently looking at Swiftech MCP35X 12 VDC Pump. Is it better to have higher flow rate and less radiators?

Seventh, I know that most individuals keep a constant id/od measurement throughout the system but is it viable to slightly increase it as you go? + Example... Pump (3/8 id 1/2 od) to reservoir (3/8 id 1/2 od) to rad (3/8 id 1/2 od) to waterblock (3/8 id 1/2 od) to radiator (1/2 id 5/8 od) to pump again using attachment? The idea being making the pumps job easier as it all cycles back into itself and output is a funnel shape so that flow is increase into one direction or does this cause complications inside the pump? Say you had a pump with 3/8 id 1/2 od outlet and a 1/2 id 5/8 od inlet would that fix the issues? +

Please provide your thoughts, any input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

I am having some trouble finding accurate real world temperature or even water flow performance charts; Anyone know some good databases?
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I hate to self-bump but I really would like some feedback and did not see any rules on it in the forums.
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looks solid, but it would highly depend on the type of video work you do.

if you are doing any kind of batch rendering you would want to go with more cores... most mid range graphics cards can handle after effects tasks with ease. if you are using something a bit more substantial like a 3d program to render or calculate dynamics then the gpu would come in handy. but you would be only offloading real time rendering to the gpu. most of the actual frames you would be rendering and the calculated data you would be generating would be from the cpu. so i would look into an SR-2 with a pair 56xx xeons. you can overclock em to about 4.2 with ease if you invest in a decent water cooling loop.
Edited by radish - 2/3/13 at 12:13am
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Then some fan controllers in the front portion to control the radiator fans(there will be no other fans or fans in the front throwing air forwards out of the case)
sorry if i misunderstand, but are you saying the only fans you have will be on the radiator NOT exhausting air?
You want air moving through your case always, especialy if you are overclocking. your motherboard needs airflow over the VRM heatsink and other key areas to avoid meltdowns or other travesties.

Noticed: 3 radiators at 4 x 120mm on the top of this case with fans in push pull configuration throwing the air up out of the case.
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Liquid cool the memory or is it truly pointless and fine in a somewhat enclosed case?
water cooled memory is ussualy only for "cool" looks and performance has little to no impact since overclocked ram rarely makes a noticable difference (to my knowledge)
that being said, i personaly think it looks ugly as sin..
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Fifth, do there happen to be reservoirs that will slightly chill coolant? I can not seem to find any
You have enough radiator space reserved that i dont think youll ever need to worry about more cooling performance.
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Seventh, I know that most individuals keep a constant id/od measurement throughout the system but is it viable to slightly increase it as you go

You can do this without any complications, and likely no impact whatsoever possitivly or negativly on the flow rate.
Restriction in your loop will occur in the waterblocks and radiators, not the tubing.
Personaly i wouldnt worry about changing the ID/OD cause consistancy will look better.
post #5 of 13
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You have enough radiator space reserved that i dont think youll ever need to worry about more cooling performance...

Are you referring to the amount of energy required to heat up x amount of liters not being enough to keep up with the amount of energy transferred through the radiators up top? If this is right would you recommend a single large radiator then or two large radiators or two proportionally sized radiators(my thoughts are gpu/motherboard is twice the cpu reservoir size)?

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Restriction in your loop will occur in the waterblocks and radiators, not the tubing.
Personaly i wouldnt worry about changing the ID/OD cause consistancy will look better.

I am still trying to work out pressure/restriction calculations but still unsure on which radiators.

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i would look into an SR-2 with a pair 56xx xeons. you can overclock em to about 4.2 with ease if you invest in a decent water cooling loop.

I don't have the ability to put together something like that just yet it easily adds another $1500 or so and not sure I can really afford to go that route as much as I'd like even though it is much more beneficial to the end goals here. Would it be better for that rather than a roughly $700 or so water cooling setup?

I am somewhat inclined to invest in cooling and see if I can hit a steady 5+ Ghz clock that is stable and add an additional GPU in a few weeks or so to balance cpu load and real world. Looking at real world physics calculations in a dynamically changing environment which can be very taxing on both cpu and gpu (both calculation heavy as I'm looking to more efficiently split task load to 12 threads and GPU heavy for lots of data at max resolution, possibly 120hz).

On this note anyone know of a good gaming monitor for low input lag but is also 27+ with IPS LED or something other than TN film for more color accuracy/depth that would support 120hz? Currently running on a 50" monitor but not necessarily the best size for distance, it's better for a finished model evaluation.

I was looking at Yamasaki Catleap but the 2B series has spiked in price and not sure I want to risk the warranty considering some reviews unless I'm mistaken with this thought.
post #6 of 13
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Are you referring to the amount of energy required to heat up x amount of liters not being enough to keep up with the amount of energy transferred through the radiators up top? If this is right would you recommend a single large radiator then or two large radiators or two proportionally sized radiators(my thoughts are gpu/motherboard is twice the cpu reservoir size)?

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I am still trying to work out pressure/restriction calculations but still unsure on which radiators.
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1 essensialy yes.
water is extremely efficiant at heat transfer. Youd very much more likely hit a safe voltage wall when overclocking vs the thermal boundry of your hardware.
If you plan to only cool your CPU i say 1 480mm rad is enough... more than enough. youll still likely never have to worry about running hot.
If you want to add more things to the loop, (motherboard, GPU(S) ) 2 480mm rads would be great.

I mention 480s cause thats what you had said that youd like to use,
however that being said im sure you could also be fine with 2 360s or even 3 120s.


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Ill be honest, i think you are putting waaay too much thought into the pressure.
If you are worried about pressure efficiancy, just make sure you use 2 good pumps in series. The pressure will be fine, most good pumps are designed to handle cpu->gpu-> 1-2 large rads.
I suggest simply keeping the fitting/tube size consistant, the choice in size is based mostly on what is available/what looks good to you.
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First, will that be enough power for the system or do I need a second PSU?

Second, I've read that 1.5v on Sandy Bridge is a better more reliable option with caps in performance seen at roughly 2133 Mhz so if this is true is this the best option or is there something else? Also is it a good idea to get fans for this memory(i.e. F3-17000CL11Q-32GBZL on newegg vs F3-2133C11Q-32GZL on newegg) Should I spend more on the Vengeance for 10-11-11-31 timings? Liquid cool the memory or is it truly pointless and fine in a somewhat enclosed case?

Third, I'm planning on GT Ice Radiators as from what I've seen they perform very well although is there a more price efficient option or something that works better? Anyone have some additional performance charts that accurately support their thoughts?

Fourth, same as radiators except looking at swiftech apogee HD just wondering if there is something thats a better performer or same performer at lower cost.

Fifth, do there happen to be reservoirs that will slightly chill coolant? I can not seem to find any

Sixth, not really sure on the pump so what is a good pump at around 100-150 dollar range maybe more if it's value is there. Currently looking at Swiftech MCP35X 12 VDC Pump. Is it better to have higher flow rate and less radiators?

Seventh, I know that most individuals keep a constant id/od measurement throughout the system but is it viable to slightly increase it as you go? + Example... Pump (3/8 id 1/2 od) to reservoir (3/8 id 1/2 od) to rad (3/8 id 1/2 od) to waterblock (3/8 id 1/2 od) to radiator (1/2 id 5/8 od) to pump again using attachment? The idea being making the pumps job easier as it all cycles back into itself and output is a funnel shape so that flow is increase into one direction or does this cause complications inside the pump? Say you had a pump with 3/8 id 1/2 od outlet and a 1/2 id 5/8 od inlet would that fix the issues? +

Please provide your thoughts, any input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

I am having some trouble finding accurate real world temperature or even water flow performance charts; Anyone know some good databases?

1) The 1500W PSU is more than enough to handle what you plan to do

2) Do not bother with liquid cooling your ram, even OCing it yields very very little real world benefit, if any

3) There are a lot of great resources to check for good radiators, particularly skinee labs and martins liquid lab. I personally prefer the alphacool nexxxos ut60 series of radiators, great price and top tier performance, and they're cheaper than the black ice rads too.

4) The big CPU block performers that come to mind are the raystorm, ek supremacy, apogee, and the koolance. All of them are going to perform within a degree or two of each other.

5) None that I know of, and it has the potential to bring a whole misery of issues with it even if you found any in the form of condensation

6) The MCP35x is a great pump. Flow rate and rad space you need to strike a balance with depending on your heat load but generally speaking you want to have as high a flow rate as possible and radiator space enough to cover the TDP of your components plus some headroom. The 3930k has a TDP of 130W, add maybe another 20 or so if you intend to overclock, and 680s have something like 195W tdp multiplied by two is a little under 400 watts plus the 150 of the CPU brings you to around 550 watts, add another 50 ish for ocing the GPUs if you intend to and you're at about 600 watts of heat to dissipate. A 120mm rad can dissipate around 100-120 watts at a decent noise level from the fans so you'd need around 6-8 120mm rad space, so you definitely will have more than enough rad space with your current plans.

7) I wouldn't do it personally just to keep things uniform, they will have absolutely no effect on your temps but it will be more costly (buy more tubing) and a bit of a headache when it comes to putting it all together.
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1) The 1500W PSU is more than enough to handle what you plan to do

2) Do not bother with liquid cooling your ram, even OCing it yields very very little real world benefit, if any

3) There are a lot of great resources to check for good radiators, particularly skinee labs and martins liquid lab. I personally prefer the alphacool nexxxos ut60 series of radiators, great price and top tier performance, and they're cheaper than the black ice rads too.

4) The big CPU block performers that come to mind are the raystorm, ek supremacy, apogee, and the koolance. All of them are going to perform within a degree or two of each other.

5) None that I know of, and it has the potential to bring a whole misery of issues with it even if you found any in the form of condensation

6) The MCP35x is a great pump. Flow rate and rad space you need to strike a balance with depending on your heat load but generally speaking you want to have as high a flow rate as possible and radiator space enough to cover the TDP of your components plus some headroom. The 3930k has a TDP of 130W, add maybe another 20 or so if you intend to overclock, and 680s have something like 195W tdp multiplied by two is a little under 400 watts plus the 150 of the CPU brings you to around 550 watts, add another 50 ish for ocing the GPUs if you intend to and you're at about 600 watts of heat to dissipate. A 120mm rad can dissipate around 100-120 watts at a decent noise level from the fans so you'd need around 6-8 120mm rad space, so you definitely will have more than enough rad space with your current plans.

7) I wouldn't do it personally just to keep things uniform, they will have absolutely no effect on your temps but it will be more costly (buy more tubing) and a bit of a headache when it comes to putting it all together.

Couldnt have said it better myself smile.gif
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1) The 1500W PSU is more than enough to handle what you plan to do

Do you mean that it will spike up to 1500w for the AX1200i?

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4) The big CPU block performers that come to mind are the raystorm, ek supremacy, apogee, and the koolance. All of them are going to perform within a degree or two of each other.

Have you an opinion on nickel plated copper vs solid copper basing? I've read there is no difference really but technically speaking shouldn't copper perform better?

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6) The MCP35x is a great pump. Flow rate and rad space you need to strike a balance with depending on your heat load but generally speaking you want to have as high a flow rate as possible and radiator space enough to cover the TDP of your components plus some headroom. The 3930k has a TDP of 130W, add maybe another 20 or so if you intend to overclock, and 680s have something like 195W tdp multiplied by two is a little under 400 watts plus the 150 of the CPU brings you to around 550 watts, add another 50 ish for ocing the GPUs if you intend to and you're at about 600 watts of heat to dissipate. A 120mm rad can dissipate around 100-120 watts at a decent noise level from the fans so you'd need around 6-8 120mm rad space, so you definitely will have more than enough rad space with your current plans.

Do you have some more information on dissipation capability of radiators? I plan to clock the 3930k has high as possible ideally a steady 5.0 Ghz so with that wattage if I account for 1.0000001(or more)% of that wattage to be dissipated then theoretically would the system never overheat and constantly drop closer to ambient room temperature?(Ideal goal for my setup would be identical to ambient room temperature at highest possible clocks)

I've also heard that as long as I keep a flow of a gallon or few liters per minute then the system is fine and that increasing it drastically will not have that much of an effect. Is this true or false?
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Well let's go through this lol:

1) No sorry I mistyped, it should have been 1200W
2) I'm very much again nickel plated copper (namely EK). I've had issues in the past (EK Supreme HF nickel and 2 GTX680 Nickel Acetal blocks) with the nickel plating corroding.
3) While I don't have any info on hand, you could head over to martin's liquid lab or skinee labs and read the reviews they put out in the radiator roundups to get an idea. But be warned, you will not get ambient room temps with liquid cooling. You'll get to around maybe 5+C of ambient room temperature on idle, and higher than that on load.
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