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Who compares OEM and DIY workstations? I never thought people could be so stupid.

That's right, my school is going to order parts for 100 workstations from newegg and build it in the library.
Edited by Clairvoyant129 - 2/9/13 at 3:56pm
 
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post #172 of 196
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Who compares OEM and DIY workstations?

Sadly a good chunk of the kids posting here. Anytime such a subject comes up they always start yelling how it's a complete rip off and how they can build a better one for cheaper.
post #173 of 196
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Who compares OEM and DIY workstations? I never thought people could be so stupid.

I do. I could give a about what a business or a school is going to do with their stuff, in the former case they can write the expense off and in the latter the funds are coming from the taxes of private citizens. As I have neither luxury and have no particular need for some Joe to fix my computer, being perfectly competent at the job myself, I don't need the built in cost of that sort of overhead.
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I do. I could give a about what a business or a school is going to do with their stuff, in the former case they can write the expense off and in the latter the funds are coming from the taxes of private citizens. As I have neither luxury and have no particular need for some Joe to fix my computer, being perfectly competent at the job myself, I don't need the built in cost of that sort of overhead.

It's going to cost more for them to build 200 computers as powerful as a Mac Pro than it is to buy 200 Mac Pros. There are many reasons for this.

1. They don't build themselves, the school/business/whatever will have to hire someone to build it for them.
2. If they break down, they will have to hire someone to fix them instead of phoning a 1-800 number and getting a free replacement.
3. If they do break down for whatever reason, it's going to take more time to get that computer fixed than it is if they got a replacement.
4. Not everyone is like you, believe it or not a lot of people won't know what to do if their computer breaks.
    
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It's going to cost more for them to build 200 computers as powerful as a Mac Pro than it is to buy 200 Mac Pros. There are many reasons for this.

1. They don't build themselves, the school/business/whatever will have to hire someone to build it for them.
2. If they break down, they will have to hire someone to fix them instead of phoning a 1-800 number and getting a free replacement.
3. If they do break down for whatever reason, it's going to take more time to get that computer fixed than it is if they got a replacement.
4. Not everyone is like you, believe it or not a lot of people won't know what to do if their computer breaks.

People seam to forget that there are plenty of PC shops that supply "custom" pre-built systems that include warranty and support.

Customer: I like some workstation PC's please
Shop: Very good sir. We have thees pre-assembled options available or perhaps you would like to pick out the parts your self from our inventory?
Customer: I like machine "x" but I like to have more ram. Can I have mine fitted with 16GB?
Shop: Certainly. That will add $60 to the price
Customer: Good. I'l take 10
Shop: Can I interest you in extended warranty and support?
Customer: Yes please

***money exchanges hands***

And a few week later the PC are delivered.
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post #176 of 196
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People seam to forget that there are plenty of PC shops that supply "custom" pre-built systems that include warranty and support.

Customer: I like some workstation PC's please
Shop: Very good sir. We have thees pre-assembled options available or perhaps you would like to pick out the parts your self from our inventory?
Customer: I like machine "x" but I like to have more ram. Can I have mine fitted with 16GB?
Shop: Certainly. That will add $60 to the price
Customer: Good. I'l take 10
Shop: Can I interest you in extended warranty and support?
Customer: Yes please

***money exchanges hands***

And a few week later the PC are delivered.

I work for a company that offers this (among other services). Suffice to say, I haven't built a desktop computer there for a long time. Nor have I been asked for one. Its just not the same anymore frown.gif
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People seam to forget that there are plenty of PC shops that supply "custom" pre-built systems that include warranty and support.

Customer: I like some workstation PC's please
Shop: Very good sir. We have thees pre-assembled options available or perhaps you would like to pick out the parts your self from our inventory?
Customer: I like machine "x" but I like to have more ram. Can I have mine fitted with 16GB?
Shop: Certainly. That will add $60 to the price
Customer: Good. I'l take 10
Shop: Can I interest you in extended warranty and support?
Customer: Yes please

***money exchanges hands***

And a few week later the PC are delivered.

Those types of services cost around the same as a workstation from Dell, Apple etc. So either way it doesn't make that much of a difference. The only time you can really save money is if the IT guy knows what he is doing and he only needs 1-5 PCs. Any more and it would end up costing a lot more than buying from any of the big manufacturers/those PC shops that offer those services.
    
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Those types of services cost around the same as a workstation from Dell, Apple etc. So either way it doesn't make that much of a difference. The only time you can really save money is if the IT guy knows what he is doing and he only needs 1-5 PCs. Any more and it would end up costing a lot more than buying from any of the big manufacturers/those PC shops that offer those services.

That really depends a lot on the services, amount of PC's needed and the hardware. In many cases you can get a better deal if you need a low number of high power workstations and usually when talking dual socket level hardware the units sold is quite low. On the other hand if you need a 100 low-mid range PC's for a school then getting Dell's or other brand names is much more economical.
    
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Who compares OEM and DIY workstations? I never thought people could be so stupid.

That's right, my school is going to order parts for 100 workstations from newegg and build it in the library.

My school bought around $15K in hardware for high end rigs and paid me to build them for them.
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Those types of services cost around the same as a workstation from Dell, Apple etc. So either way it doesn't make that much of a difference. The only time you can really save money is if the IT guy knows what he is doing and he only needs 1-5 PCs. Any more and it would end up costing a lot more than buying from any of the big manufacturers/those PC shops that offer those services.

No one should be buying mac pros right now anyway, maybe when they have IB-EP as an option but right now they're just garbage that would have been outperformed by imacs in a few years.
 
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My school bought around $15K in hardware for high end rigs and paid me to build them for them.
No one should be buying mac pros right now anyway, maybe when they have IB-EP as an option but right now they're just garbage that would have been outperformed by imacs in a few years.

the quads are already, but the 6, 8, and 12 are not. There was a test last summer comparing 2 Sandy-E to a 12 core MP and the difference wasn't as big as the HW specs would have you believe..now in single socket a Sandy 6 smokes a Westmere 6.
 
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