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Apple are only dropping this because it's an older product. It's highly likely that they have others that already adhere to the regulations.

There is nothing wrong with the regulation.

Once again, you ignore counter-arguments.

Several people, including myself, have given specific reasons why fan guards are unneeded inside a PC. Your argument is "nothing wrong with the regulations" and "it's for safety for whatever reason".

My guess is you never even read the full regulation. Am I right?
     
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Once again, you ignore counter-arguments.

Several people, including myself, have given specific reasons why fan guards are unneeded inside a PC. Your argument is "nothing wrong with the regulations" and "it's for safety for whatever reason".

My guess is you never even read the full regulation. Am I right?

Why respond to arguments that are invalid and basically amount to "wah wah, gubbermint tell me what to do!"? I shouldn't and won't. It's very tiresome to read Americans with this ridiculous regulation thing going on.

EDIT:

Here's a better article:

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/01/apple-to-stop-shipping-mac-pro-in-europe-on-march-1/
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"The new requirements necessitate fan guards and some increased protection on the ports on the electrical system," Apple told Macworld UK. "Because Mac Pro is not compliant with the regulations, we do want to meet that regulation and therefore [will] not offer Mac Pro beyond March 1."
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we do want to meet that regulation

Apple are wilfully negligent of the regulation, that was put into effect BEFORE the product was on the shelves (2009 it was put out).

Apple don't want to follow regulations... yet the government is at fault? It hasn't stopped Dell or others from following the regulations and continuing to sell their computers to customers.


Basically this thread is an example of blinkers. Blinkers where ever it comes to anything to do wtih government, coming form mostly American people brainwashed by corporations to allow them to do as they wish.

EDIT 2:

The same sickening display of disregard for consumers came when the Italian government slammed Apple for not offering 24 months warranty. Mostly Americans, having a go at the government for "unfairly telling Apple how to do business" and so on. It was disgusting.
Edited by Rubers - 2/3/13 at 7:34am
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7 pages and no pictures? If the outside of the case has a hole big enough to stick a child's finger in, I see a problem. If the issue are internals of the case, I don't get it. Almost any electronic device in the home is a hazard once opened.

Just had to check my Antec 300, and I suppose a 2yo's pinky could fit in. I was lucky, my kid who is now 7, didn't try to do these sorts of things. She did however stick plenty of "made in china" toys in her mouth.
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7 pages and no pictures? If the outside of the case has a hole big enough to stick a child's finger in, I see a problem. If the issue are internals of the case, I don't get it. Almost any electronic device in the home is a hazard once opened.

Just had to check my Antec 300, and I suppose a 2yo's pinky could fit in. I was lucky, my kid who is now 7, didn't try to do these sorts of things. She did however stick plenty of "made in china" toys in her mouth.
It's also the ports of the system too.
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Just spotted this, Apple gives clear signal: Mac Pro update imminent

Just more speculation but I tend to agree it sounds likely. Would account for the excuse they've used to drive up a bit of demand for a replacement.
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I know this is slightly off topic but the worst thing about the Mac Pro is what a terrible value it is. The 3.4GHz Quad (the entry level config) is $2,500... with 6GB of memory and an HD5770. It only gets worse from there...

Can't imagine anyone's actually buying these.
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Pretty certain there will be a redesign of the casing this year. Apple even hinted at it last year. Any prosumer with a decent frame of mind won't be buying this product right now anyway.

Source

Article correctly predicts late-2012 iMac updates.
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Why respond to arguments that are invalid and basically amount to "wah wah, gubbermint tell me what to do!"? I shouldn't and won't. It's very tiresome to read Americans with this ridiculous regulation thing going on.

You should respond to counter-arguments if you value truth and discussion.
By avoiding discussion of counter arguments, it reveals that your position is weak or suspect.
Further, your choice of words indicates to me that you despise many forum members here.

You never even read the full regulation.
Yet you are sure "There is nothing wrong with the regulation."

You could at least acknowledge that you never read the regulation.
I also never read the regulation, and if someone asks, I will acknowledge it and not ignore or evade the question.
Your evasive behavior indicates to me that you are intellectually dishonest and your statements should not be trusted.
     
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Your evasive behavior indicates to me that you are intellectually dishonest and your statements should not be trusted.

Ther'es avoiding and then there's not thinking your point is worth addressing.

If your point is: "this is wrong, the government shouldn't be telling us what to do. This is unfair. Stop telling companies how to sell crap" then yeah, I'm not paying any attention to you.

I'm not intellectually dishonest. I just don't see the massive deal. It's a regulation the rest of the industry follows. Apple don't want to. The product in question is being retired, so it's a waste of money to make it adhere now (though they could've just done it before releasing) That's up to them entirely, but they must follow regulations, like everyone else, if they want to sell in the EU. You can bet your butt that the next Mac will adhere to the regulations.

Also, the EU has been very forgiving with them, since they released this product, which falls foul of the regulations, in 2010. The regulations came into effect in 2009. They've been selling it for 2 years without it meeting standards.
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If your point is: "this is wrong, the government shouldn't be telling us what to do. This is unfair. Stop telling companies how to sell crap" then yeah, I'm not paying any attention to you.

I believe I've already stated my position on this subject. If you have questions, let me know.
You are already paying attention to me. You pay attention to everything which is posted in this discussion.
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Ther'es avoiding and then there's not thinking your point is worth addressing.

You seem to be an intelligent person and clearly have plenty of time to discuss the subject.

Can you answer one question?
For what safety reason are internal fan guards needed?
     
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