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post #21 of 32
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Well yes was enough just the bug of upgrade hits the door after 4 years with that wonderfull processor.
post #22 of 32
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Update:
Order was made and waiting to receive:

3570k (i ll fit NH-D14)
Z77X-UD3H (was 10$ more than the D3H)
Kingston 8gb 2400 predator
Sapphire 7870XT (my monitor supports 1680*1050 resolution so why to spend more on a 7950)
Samsung 840 Series 120GB (as extra since i have one more ssd)
Zalman Z9 plus (my desk can fit <24cm cases)

I have a 750w psu plus some hdd's for raid 1 i have too, so i am done.

Well i was thinking this time not to buy it, since i was doing my job (bit bit slower, no gaming) with my 5yo c2d laptop as desktop replacement, but what the heck i would enjoy a 30'-1h gaming occasionally!
Edited by melodystyle2003 - 2/16/13 at 10:48am
post #23 of 32
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Originally Posted by melodystyle2003 View Post

3570k (i ll fit NH-D14)
Z77X-UD3H (was 10$ more than the D3H)
Kingston 8gb 2400 predator
Sapphire 7870XT (my monitor supports 1680*1050 resolution so why to spend more on a 7950)
Samsung 840 Series 120GB (as extra since i have one more ssd)
Zalman Z9 plus (my desk can fit <24cm cases)

I have a 750w psu plus some hdd's for raid 1 i have too, so i am done.

Nice, but I think you overspent on the RAM.

Overclocking is super simple on a 3570k, btw. See: http://www.overclock.net/t/1198504/complete-overclocking-guide-sandy-bridge-ivy-bridge-asrock-edition
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Pls I beg of you, dont get af 970 chipset mobo.. you're gonna regret that.. you basically can't overclock then..

That is absolutely not true.
It is very durable board. Cooling on VRMs is excellent and phases are durable. They wont die on you. Ofc due to having only 4 phases vdrop at extreme clocks will be high but still. This is not meant for extreame clocks only medium and low overclocks for everyday use not extreme benchmarking.

personal experience.
Friend of mine(on my suggestion took m5a97 rev2.0) bought 8320 and it is stable clocked at 4.2ghz on that motherboard. CM212+evo cooling. Low temperatures.
I got 8120 on the same motherboard and it is rocking on 4ghz no problem (+900mhz overclock). Xigmatek Gaia cooling. Low temperatures.

Both are on stock voltages with most powersaving features on (cnq and such) and those are clocks for everyday use for several years, so nothing extreme and silicon will not degrade because of us pushing it to the limit etc Idea is to always get best bang for the buck.
What we found out is that after certain threshold you have to increase voltage so much for so little gain that it is simply not practical. If i have to go from 1.3v to 1.4v just to get 200mhz or so i wont do it really. It is not worth it.

Got 8120 for 130e 10 months ago now 8320 is similarly priced and in my opinion considering extraordinary performance it is best buy, especially if you calculate how cheap 970motherboards are and have good and useful features (tons of sata3 and usb3). Over here where i live i3s are like 110e which i find a big ripoff considering performance they provide and i5s are generally far more expansive. Most people that trash FX have never tryed one out.
post #25 of 32
I also agree with this. I've got my Phenom II x4 965 up to 4.2 in the Asus M5A97 no problem.
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post #26 of 32
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Nice, but I think you overspent on the RAM.

Overclocking is super simple on a 3570k, btw. See: http://www.overclock.net/t/1198504/complete-overclocking-guide-sandy-bridge-ivy-bridge-asrock-edition
65$ from amazon offer isnt that much thumb.gif
post #27 of 32
Ok I have a few things to say here I will link some definitive videos from someone that is a hardcore Intel fanboy and is also sponsored by Intel Linus from Linus techtips part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICVeN6WEGgg part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD6UcsVG56g
part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHnsfIJtZ2o he even says the AMD FX 8350 performs nearly as well as the I5 3570k ( even when overclocked ) and always remained in the good playable fps except in 1 anomaly he points out the price differences and even states the future of the AMD FX looks like its multithreaded capabilities will be put better to use since next gen consoles nearly have all been won by AMD with a custom 8core CPU / APU (dx11) setup for ps4 and xbox 720 since 90% of games are first made for console then ported over to PC this gives AMD an edge and also massive optimizations ( and a lot of much needed funds for R & D ) for multithreading and such lowering the amount of games using heavy single threded performance.

I also want to point out his tests were done very thoroughly with nearly all variables taken out he goes deeply into depth of things and explains everything is setup to be nearly identical in every way minus the Intel and AMD.


I also would like to point out with next gen consoles being AMD do you believe they will optimize games with the notorious dirty Intel compiler / CPU dispatcher http://www.agner.org/optimize/blog/read.php?i=49 scroll down till you see green then read this goes all the way to 5/2012 Intel compiler still doing it so it's very relative today remember almost all benchmarks / software / games use this Intel compiler / CPU dispatcher so once next gen consoles come into play a lot of the issues will be resolved and AMD will get a chance to show what is possible by them if you don't believe the Intel compiler issue then take a read of this http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2010/08/intel.shtm go down till you see this ( In addition, the FTC settlement order will require Intel to: ) then read it is directly mentioning this issue the US government had to step in on this subject and found it to be true and Intel is still releasing theyre compilers this way.
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I just think the I5 3570k will be lacking since the I5 3570k is a quad core without hyperthreading and given next gen consoles will bring heavier multithreaded games the new consoles will have to be more multithreaded to operate on a x86 jaquar 8core AMD@1.6ghz at the helm that is just facts which like i previously stated will leverage the benefit of the quad I5 3570k without hyperthreading and will more than likely bring AMD FX's performance higher in games since games will be highly optimized for that style of CPU.

I say this because 90% of games are first made for consoles then ported over to PC with the consoles using same x86 CPU basicaly just lowwer clocked and dx11-dx11.1 APU in range of ATI HD 7760-7850 i see that bringing alot of heavy optimizations for AMD also from game design / coding and programing wise.

also dont chime in saying it isnt a little brother design to the FX it is a bobcat style CPU this i know but the basics of the architecture is basicaly the same.

I have and had no intention of turning this into a flame war but i want to point out the consoles have always been the limiting factor in games since a complete redesign of a game from console to PC isnt feesible for the companies making them the next gen brings PC components into the picture and outs the secondary arm processors and such from past and whole seperate graphics also now they are moving into the future with a design to be more PC like period unlike ever in the past.

With this brings a whole new lvl of graphics capability and a whole new amount of CPU core utilization available and also brings the console and PC closer to the lvl where they can easily be made for both by one team rather than console version being made then PC version being made after console version from the console version coding / programing.
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I just think the I5 3570k will be lacking since the I5 3570k is a quad core without hyperthreading

Wow i had no idea when i was deciding on similar combos that that sucker doesnt HT.....thumb.gif

Thanks for the valuable info and glad i went 83xx since my budget allowed either


To anyone else that didnt know this... http://ark.intel.com/products/65520
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I just think the I5 3570k will be lacking since the I5 3570k is a quad core without hyperthreading

Wow i had no idea when i was deciding on similar combos that that sucker doesnt HT.....thumb.gif

Thanks for the valuable info and glad i went 83xx since my budget allowed either


To anyone else that didnt know this... http://ark.intel.com/products/65520

Yeah the average public doesnt know that the I5 3570k is flat out a plain jane quad core and as i said before games will utilize more cores because of next gen consoles so buying a plain quad would be a mistake at this point since future is multithreaded heavy.

facts are alot of modern games support 6-8cores but dont utilize them properly yet because the lack of console support for this once console support is added with heavier multi core usage in otherwards efficient multithreading a quad will be lacking in alot of areas and also i want to point out games will utilize more of the GPU's abilities also for dx11-dx11.1 ( multithreaded rendering ) because the full amount of its abilities will be able to be used previous consoles were dx9 so they gave us a snifff of the ability of dx11 period but couldnt fully put it to use otherwise it would be completely 2 different games between console and PC which wasnt feesable in past now consoles and PC are using nearly same hardware so we will get to see what is possible soon.

This is a bit of info on some testing done on civ v with dx11 and multithreaded rendering which increased the FPS and performance by almost double http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=31520674&postcount=28 in the past and present there has been more testing on this stuff and it has been chosen to be the future Nvidia / ATI /AMD / Intel all have been involved in this testing and conclude its the future next gen consoles will allow this to become more mainstream in games.

to date only a few games have actualy used multithreaded rendering the ones that did got a huge performance increase across board.
Edited by rickcooperjr - 5/31/13 at 11:07am
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