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Hey Everyone,

I have been working on designing a compact, quiet as possible audio/light gaming build. I was originally planning on going for an aerocool ds or some other low-noise optimized case, but after extensive research... hell, I just can't resist how small this case is. In any event, I was originally planning on going for a fanless seasonic platinum psu, and possibly even running a fanless Thermalright Macho. Am I insane to consider this? I think I might be able to get away with it, given that my build comes out to only 235w of power (According to pc part picker), and I can't see myself adding huge amounts to this. I was planning on adding some noctua fans to keep it quiet, and a 180mm enermax up top (unless someone knows a better quiet 180mm fan).

Thoughts? here's my current parts list:

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CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($176.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($122.98 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($76.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($123.87 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 750 Ti 2GB TWIN FROZR Video Card ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($133.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $774.81
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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At most I could see myself upgrading in the future to a faster graphics card, broadwell cpu, and more/faster memory, but part of the idea of this build is to keep power consumption down in an effort to keep noise down on usb/firewire connections to external audio equipment- but I'm not sure how much of a difference this will make. I've even been consideting a GTX 760- but i'm not sure- the price difference might be the cost of all the fans I will probably need.

In any event, the idea I had was to fill all the fan slots with <10db fans (except the 180mm because that doesen't exist- perhaps I could get there with undervolting, if I could get away with it heat-wise), and thus have enough quiet cooling to keep my graphics card from spinning up and becoming loud.

The other option I was considering was an overspec'd be quiet, seasonic x-series, or other quiet psu (with enough power on tap that it hopefully never even has to turn its fan on). As far as the CPU cooler goes, I figure I could always add a quiet fan if necessary.

What do you guys think?

There is an included 140mm fan bracket to replace the 180mm Air Penetrator. You might as well use that to replace the 180mm fan. Although there is a bit of a problem to it, IIRC one part of the wire of the AP181 is soldered to the fan controller at the back, so you might need to cut them.

I could be wrong though, but when I was routing the cables of my system around the AP181, I saw wires connecting to the AP181 soldered to the fan controller and I did not see any male/female connector somewhere.


If you want a "silent" graphics card, an Asus Strix should be the one for you, since its fans does not spin at all until it reaches a certain temperature.


If your programs need hyperthreading, you can also go with a Xeon. Its abit expensive than the i5 you chose but it is essentially an i7 with lower power consumption, only by a bit though. There are also Xeons that doesn't have hyperthreading but they are expensive so might as well stick with your 4460.


In my experience, Be Quiet! Silent Wings 2 are, well, quiet even at max RPM. I own 120mm , 92mm, and 80mm of Silent Wings 2. They are expensive though. I don't think there are 10db fans available and also I doubt they will push air.


Regarding the PSU, Seasonic recommends fanless to orient at a specific position, where the grill is pointed upwards so that the heat goes outside the PSU, which is impossible for the SG09/10 to do. Maybe buy a testbench like a Lian-Li Q06 and go fanless instead? Q06 is ITX though...

...or you can go with a semi-fanless PSU instead.
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I appreciate your input smile.gif

I was looking at the Noctua ULN (ultra low noise) fans, many of which they rate at under 10dba (I did forget the a lol). How said ratings are measured is another question, but Noctua seems to be a very well-respected brand and I have seen their fans in a lot of audio pc products from various companies.

Thanks for the heads up on the Strix- I was going with the MSI because I saw so many reviews praising how quiet it is etc... but I will absolutely look into that. The only reason I might not is that my current build is one graphics driver change from 100% hackintosh compatibility, and I happen to have an OSX lisence... We'll see smile.gif

As far as replacing the air penetrator goes, I am definitely considering a 140mm noctua, but it limits me to about half the airflow of the penetrator. Thus, I am looking at undervolting an enermax UCTA18a- which enermax rates at... aaand I just realised I was reading an m3h number, not a cfm#. The enermax is still quieter (I would be trading about 10cfm for about 3db less noise, and from what I've heard a less irritating, more broadband noise), but given the circumstances I believe I will just take your advice and drop in a 140mm noctua (or maybe undervolt something else to try and squeeze out a bit more cfm).

I actually get much less benefit from hyperthreading than most audio computing applications because the software I am using (Native Instruments Reaktor) is not hyperthreaded. I can work around this by using multiple instances of it, but this has very significant limitations. I will only miss it while gaming- but I'll just turn down the graphics settings tongue.gif

Regarding be quiet!, their fans might actually compete with noctua (which is even more expensive), so I will investigate that possibility. Perhaps a combination of the 2 brands?

Any recommendations for semi-passive psus? I finally got a close enough look via video at the seasonic fanless to be sure (as you said lol) that it won't work (some of its heat sinks would be far to insulated in the SG10).

I really appreciate the help smile.gif
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While Noctua is a reputable company, I doubt those fans will even move air when mounted at the back of the filter. Maybe try searching for low-noise, decent static pressure fans on SPCR, maybe you may find cheaper, quiet fans there. But if you have the money to go for Noctua, by all means, go for it! and I think ULN is an adapter for all of their fans which downvolts to 5v or maybe 7v? I could be wrong though.

If Be Quiet! fans are cheaper than the Noctuas in your area, you might as well go with that.

I own an MSI GTX 750ti for my backup rig, and I can attest that it is also quiet, but "quiet"ness depends on one's hearing so it may not be quiet for you! So I suggested Strix instead since you haven't bought the parts yet!

Semi-passive PSU, besides the X series which is overkill for your build, I googled and found this link:

http://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=gehps&asuch=&bpmax=&v=e&plz=&dist=&mail=&sort=p&xf=363_semi-passiv

I checked the link though and all PSUs there have high wattage... Maybe try to look for X560 instead? It is an old/discontinued model though.
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If you're not using SPCR round-up's for silent computing performance, you're doing it wrong


You'll quickly discover that Noctua fans are not the be-all-and-end-all. You can often find cheaper fans that do a better job (source: Phanteks fans in general, Aerocool's Dead Silence range)
    
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If you're not using SPCR round-up's for silent computing performance, you're doing it wrong


You'll quickly discover that Noctua fans are not the be-all-and-end-all. You can often find cheaper fans that do a better job (source: Phanteks fans in general, Aerocool's Dead Silence range)

I have spent quite a bit of time on that website... but apparently not long enough. Lots to sift through, some of it out of date frown.gif

But an invaluable resource nonetheless! biggrin.gif

I appreciate the suggestion of Phanteks and Aerocool as well- but it doesn't look like either of them do anything below 120mm- so I guess the search continues there. I saw that latest 140mm roundup on SPCR where the Phanteks won decisively- now I'm just wondering how the Aerocool compares lol. I keep thinking about Noctua because of the 4 smaller fans- thanks for reminding me that there are better options for the top 2 fans smile.gif Anyone seen any other quiet options for the bottom fans? Only one I've heard of is Nexus.
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While Noctua is a reputable company, I doubt those fans will even move air when mounted at the back of the filter. Maybe try searching for low-noise, decent static pressure fans on SPCR, maybe you may find cheaper, quiet fans there. But if you have the money to go for Noctua, by all means, go for it! and I think ULN is an adapter for all of their fans which downvolts to 5v or maybe 7v? I could be wrong though.

If Be Quiet! fans are cheaper than the Noctuas in your area, you might as well go with that.

I own an MSI GTX 750ti for my backup rig, and I can attest that it is also quiet, but "quiet"ness depends on one's hearing so it may not be quiet for you! So I suggested Strix instead since you haven't bought the parts yet!

Semi-passive PSU, besides the X series which is overkill for your build, I googled and found this link:

http://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=gehps&asuch=&bpmax=&v=e&plz=&dist=&mail=&sort=p&xf=363_semi-passiv

I checked the link though and all PSUs there have high wattage... Maybe try to look for X560 instead? It is an old/discontinued model though.

I've actually been wondering about whether the noctuas I have been looking at would have sufficient static pressure to deal with dust filters. Honestly, I'm not afraid to ditch my dust filters- I have an air purifier in my room (that I run when I'm not there- otherwise there would be no point in keeping my build quiet lol) that actually does a surprisingly good job of keeping my room relatively dust free. But by no means am I wedded to noctua- who actually wants to pay that much!?

As far as power supplies go, I am leaning towards a high-power seasonic because I want to stay within my power supply's fanless parameters at full system load. Also, the seasonics use a San Ace fan that at low rpms is actually supposed to be very quiet. And finally, according to the reviews I've read, the seasonic platinum units have excellent voltage regulation and quite low ripple- which is important to me from an audio quality standpoint. If there's something else with these qualities for substantially less, I am all ears smile.gif

Once Again thanks Everyone!
Edited by MPZ - 1/13/15 at 7:59am
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I personally have those phanteks 140's for my 280mm rad. They have 120mm fan mounts on them, so you might be able to use them in place of 120mm fans. I have them as push fans on low FPI radiators.

For 120mm low FPI rads, I use Gentle Typhoon AP-12's (the 800rpm ones)

Phanteks do 120mm square-framed fans as well, but you'll have to search around for them to see if they're in your region. I know I can't get them in AU, and Amazon is OOS
    
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one thing to note- Seasonic PSUs (at least all of them that I have) have the plug orientation inverted so it is more difficult to mount a 120mm side fan under the PSU. Something to keep in mind, anyway. I've always been fond of Seasonic PSUs, and use one in my SG10. Had I known the issue beforehand I would have likely gone with another PSU.
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What's really interesting to me is that I went on silverstone's website to see if their strider PSU's might be quiet enough for my purposes, and I saw this comment on the page of their Nightjar fanless psu, in response to someone asking if one could be run in an SG10:
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Hi Fred,
We recommend to install the NJ520 with top exhaust vents facing upwards to achieve its best performance. For the chassis with powerful airflow like SUGO SG10, the vertical configuration of PSU should not be a problem for the NJ520.
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Perhaps I can run a fanless psu after all? I suppose I should contact silverstone- because I can't find a semi-passive psu with enough capacity to run fanless in my system that has its plug oriented to allow a 120x120x25mm fan beneath it. Which is something of a major concern for me, because it seems like quiet 92mm and 80mm fans really don't move much air (or have much static pressure to deal with dust filters)

What do you guys think? I'm looking at the case's psu bay and it seems like the side vents on a fanless psu will be covered, but it looks like it might be possible to mount the psu such that the top face of it is exposed to the outside of the case, allowing it to vent.

Someone really familiar with the SG10 psu mounting options want to chime in here?

Thanks in advance biggrin.gif
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The fanless Seasonic PSU that is being talked about IS the Nightjar smile.gif Seasonic is the Nightjar's OEM, the recent ones that is.

I may need to double check at home and I'm not 100% about this, but I don't think we can mount the exhaust vent of a fanless PSU "facing upwards", for two reasons:

1. The top of the SG10 is, well, closed.
2. The bottom of the PSU mount is also blocked.

Athough I remembered (before hitting the post button) that fanless PSUs also has side vents? Not as big as the rear vent though. But still, top of the SG10 is still closed. And we will most likely rely on the hot air going out passively from the front/side.


Also, as yahu said, seasonic PSUs (I'm using one too!) for the SG10 will not allow you to mount a 120mm (I can't even mount a 92mm fan for some reason) because of how the power cable socket is mounted.

Maybe try getting a "usual" PSU instead? haha
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Also, as yahu said, seasonic PSUs (I'm using one too!) for the SG10 will not allow you to mount a 120mm (I can't even mount a 92mm fan for some reason) because of how the power cable socket is mounted.

I am using an Enermax Triathlor and have the same issue with the cable. It's not possible to mount the 120mm fan on the side. Of all the fans in the case, the one of the PSU seems to be the most silent, though.

I just mounted a Scythe Kotetsu for the CPU, and it fits very nicely. Now I am having the issue that I can't mount the Glide Stream fan that is supposed to be attached to the cooler because it's a tad too thick and clashes with the memory modules. I am looking for a 120mm PWM fan with a max depth of 20mm, and with a low minimum rpm. There doesn't seem to be much availability for something like this…
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