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Amd Steamroller. The secret weapon that could decimate Intel

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This thread is a one off of the haswell performance thread in rumors. Some of us got to thinking about how Amd could make a comeback and really shove it down intel's throat especially in mainstream. How? More cores or "Moar cores" wink.gif

Take the 8350 right now. Its 10.4% less then the 3770K in multithreaded apps and 63.2% less in price on newegg. If and i do say "IF" piledriver would have been released as a 10 core as originally thought it would have had been 13.2% ahead of the 3770K in mulitthreaded apps. But that never happened and amd went ahead with only 8 cores. 

Now onto Steamroller. Projected 20-30% better IPC then "Piledriver". With haswell only being around 10% better then ivy this is the best opportunity to fire back at intel and i believe dethrone them in Mainstream and Enthusiast. 

How do we do that? Turn Socket G34 into an Enthusiast Socket. Allow motherboard manufacturers to create custom boards that will be able to overclocked and/or release unlocked "Opterons". The cheapest 12 core "Piledriver" Opty is 424 dollars and would be on average 1.7% slower then a 3960X at 4Ghz in Cinebench while being 645 dollars cheaper. A 16 core 6376 Opty would be 30.9% faster then a 3960X while also being 46.5% cheaper. 

This is ofcourse just an opinion and there is no need to start a huge flame war over it. This is just something i would "Love" to happen even tho it probably would be very unlikely. The only "big" issue would be TDP at 4Ghz but i for one wouldnt have an issue running a nice water setup to cool these beasts
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I like how you think,

Also, Optys could be used for multi CPU rigs, maybe EVGA would release an AMD SR-2 (not SR-X because it was poop)


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Please stop the speculation because a lot of people are going to get hurt just like they did with BD.
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It's not about who can crush who, Intel needs a good competitor to drive the industry forward, and without competition, innovation and creative thinking stops. While Piledriver is good compared to the terrible Bulldozer architecture, AMD really needs to step it up because I'm still on green team and I don't want them to fade away, the new FX series of chips are fantastic.

And I'd check out teksynidicate for the FX-8350 .vs. 3570K .vs. 3770K video, that's good evidence that AMD is making a small come back.
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Didn't they already decimate themselves with BD?
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Didn't they already decimate themselves with BD?

And that's when the fight started...

In all seriousness, BD was bad because it was so over hyped and over priced at launch. It did tolerably well against the intel chips of the time (sandy bridge), but again only in multithreaded benchmarks.

As for an enthusiast Opteron, yeah bring it! Quad channel memory support is also a major plus (and needed). Cranking that to 4ghz would require one heck of a power supply, but yeah if you could do it then I could see it being a competitive option. You'd be looking at some kind of crazy 400W+ cpu though. Motherboard costs would be pretty high to support a chip like that though, offsetting some or most of the savings.


I don't see any decimation though, and I'm pretty sure we'll just see something that is competitive from a price/performance perspective in multi threaded apps. I don't see winning any single threaded benchmarks.
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Please stop the speculation because a lot of people are going to get hurt just like they did with BD.

I was one of those........ sad-smiley-002.gif
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oh my, the thought of desktop opterons biggrin.gif
I like BD, since I need as much cores as possible in my work, without getting too expensive.

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More than likely, the cost to produce a 10-core Piledriver as a regular desktop CPU wasn't justified by what AMD could sell it for. The silicon wafers that these chips are made on aren't cheap. And how many desktop users actually have software than can make full use of 10 freakin' cores, anyway?

If Steamroller turns out to be 20-30 percent faster than Piledriver, and Haswell is a washout, then AMD gets back into the performance game, and Intel develops a new microarchitecture because that means the Core architecture has reached its limits. But that's a lot of ifs.
     
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actually, intel just has to stay away from crappy paste and stick with soldering. looking forward to steamroller and haswell.
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