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Hate to be a party pooper...

The enthusiast market is really insignificant. Very, very, very insignificant. If a semiconductor company has an enthusiast line, it's for marketing or because they're bored. Chrysler doesn't make the Viper because it keeps the company afloat. They also don't make them because they are incredibly profitable.

AMD needs to create a great product that the server space and PC OEMs want. IMO they are already there with Trinity, but not enough to sway OEMs. They need to release Kaveri right. They need to invest in marketing, and they need to make the general consumer want a HP or Dell with AMD written somewhere on the box instead of Intel. They need to combat "Intel Ultrabooks" with something of their own.

They need to walk before they can run.

Yeah but Steamroller cores having 20-30% higher IPC would be cool.
Edited by S.M. - 2/2/13 at 8:35pm
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Please stop the speculation because a lot of people are going to get hurt just like they did with BD.

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This is ofcourse just an opinion and there is no need to start a huge flame war over it. This is just something i would "Love" to happen even tho it probably would be very unlikely. The only "big" issue would be TDP at 4Ghz but i for one wouldnt have an issue running a nice water setup to cool these beasts

Not speculation, just an opinion.
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More than likely, the cost to produce a 10-core Piledriver as a regular desktop CPU wasn't justified by what AMD could sell it for. The silicon wafers that these chips are made on aren't cheap. And how many desktop users actually have software than can make full use of 10 freakin' cores, anyway?

If Steamroller turns out to be 20-30 percent faster than Piledriver, and Haswell is a washout, then AMD gets back into the performance game, and Intel develops a new microarchitecture because that means the Core architecture has reached its limits. But that's a lot of ifs.

Haswell won't exactly be a washout but I bet that it's not what most people are expecting it to be. The IPC improvement is nice, but you know what would be nicer? More cores for their mainstream processors. A 10% IPC improvement isn't going to change much other than synthetic benchmarks, while 2 more cores will significantly improve multi-threaded performance while also giving customers an incentive to buy one. If AMD can properly redesign and implement a decoder for each of the cores while maintaining their high frequency optimized "speed demon" architecture then it would give intel some serious competition, and we might finally see some 6 core mainstream CPUs from them.
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Not speculation, just an opinion.
Haswell won't exactly be a washout but I bet that it's not what most people are expecting it to be. The IPC improvement is nice, but you know what would be nicer? More cores for their mainstream processors. A 10% IPC improvement isn't going to change much other than synthetic benchmarks, while 2 more cores will significantly improve multi-threaded performance while also giving customers an incentive to buy one. If AMD can properly redesign and implement a decoder for each of the cores while maintaining their high frequency optimized "speed demon" architecture then it would give intel some serious competition, and we might finally see some 6 core mainstream CPUs from them.

I like everyone else wants more cores on mainstream intel. Ipc increases are nice but more and more products will be multithreaded in the future. If intel actually believes someones going to buy a broadwell quad core they have another thing coming. Same goes for sbe. We all want an unlocked 8 core. Another 6 core is just going to annoy us.

And yes guys my avatar is the boy from fringe smile.gif
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I like everyone else wants more cores on mainstream intel. Ipc increases are nice but more and more products will be multithreaded in the future. If intel actually believes someones going to buy a broadwell quad core they have another thing coming. Same goes for sbe. We all want an unlocked 8 core. Another 6 core is just going to annoy us.

And yes guys my avatar is the boy from fringe smile.gif

I think at this point everyone is sick of the only "affordable" 6 core from intel being about 600$. Next gen consoles are gonna run on AMD's 8 core jaguar CPU. I don't think it'd be a stretch to assume that multi-threading is the future, even for gaming.

But steamroller isn't coming out till 2014... which sucks. mad.gif
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HSA is the secret weapon
Steamroller is just the added bonus.
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As for an enthusiast Opteron, yeah bring it! Quad channel memory support is also a major plus (and needed).
Why do consumers need quad-channel memory?

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I like everyone else wants more cores on mainstream intel. Ipc increases are nice but more and more products will be multithreaded in the future. If intel actually believes someones going to buy a broadwell quad core they have another thing coming. Same goes for sbe. We all want an unlocked 8 core. Another 6 core is just going to annoy us.
Why do consumer need more cores? Most consumer workloads are not that parallel.

Besides, what the mainstream market really wants is lower-power consumption... not more cores or performance.
The server market wants more performance per watt through more cores or higher IPC.

What enthusiasts want isn't that relevant.

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HSA is the secret weapon
Steamroller is just the added bonus.
There's nothing that would stop Intel from integrating into HSA.
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I just don't see AMD being able to make sizeable profit on these chips, due to being 1 process node behind Piledriver(315mm^2) is almost twice the size of Ivy Bridge(160 mm^2) which means for the same piece of Wafer Intel can make 2X 3770K and sell for $670 while AMD is stuck making $199 from 1 FX-8350. a 10/12 Core piledriver will probably be 400mm^2 ish like SB-E, meaning AMD's production cost will be much higher so profit aren't looking good even if they can charge $300 for it.

As far as server market goes AMD won't be competitive against Ivy-E Xeon(especially the rumored 10 core Ivy-E Xeon) which would be superior in performance per watt, the #2 priority in any industrial environment(behind stability).
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Well, in the not too distant future we're going to get the biggest leap in CPU technology in more than 15 years:

http://apcmag.com/intel-looks-beyond-silicon-for-processors-past-2017.htm

Silicon is almost at its limit right now. If AMD wants to compete they are going to have to follow Intel in its transition from silicon based CPUs. I'd have to guess that Intel is probably far ahead of AMD, simply because they got more money for R&D.
Edited by chaosblade02 - 2/2/13 at 10:10pm
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I just don't see AMD being able to make sizeable profit on these chips, due to being 1 process node behind Piledriver(315mm^2) is almost twice the size of Ivy Bridge(160 mm^2) which means for the same piece of Wafer Intel can make 2X 3770K and sell for $670 while AMD is stuck making $199 from 1 FX-8350. a 10/12 Core piledriver will probably be 400mm^2 ish like SB-E, meaning AMD's production cost will be much higher so profit aren't looking good even if they can charge $300 for it.

As far as server market goes AMD won't be competitive against Ivy-E Xeon(especially the rumored 10 core Ivy-E Xeon) which would be superior in performance per watt, the #2 priority in any industrial environment(behind stability).


You bring up a really good point about the economics of manufacturing costs. It seems like a bit of a catch-22 in general for AMD. They don't have the money to invest in leading process nodes like Intel, and they can't make as much profit for the same performance if the die size is twice as large, and smaller processes are desirable to consumers (power efficiency) meaning their chips are not worth as much. That's a sucky situation to be in.
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the common/mass dont care about a nanometer on their cpus they just wnat that their pcs work to be use
they are not like us they dont know the size of a die of 32nm.

intel dont need amd they are happy making you all buy a new socket every new cpu, WE need amd without them we are lost to intel.
you saw that articule about no more socket cpu thats bad frown.gif
    
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