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The thing is... Intel realized that "good enough" computing arrived shortly after Conroe era. Think about... for 95% of mainstream users, do they need more processing power than a 2-3GHz dual-core for everyday use? Just look at sale numbers of non-desktop/non-laptop computers.... people are getting by with vastly slower ARM CPUs and most are almost ok with it. ARM performance has to increase a bit more and they could be "good enough" for most people.

Other than rendering or other high-end scalable tasks, what would general consumer use a 8-core 4GHz CPU for? If you look at Intel's recent roadmap and focus, you will notice power consumption is basically more important than pure performance now.

Consumers are NOT screaming for more cores or performance (well, maybe more GPU performance). Consumers are screaming for more battery life, thinner, quieter, cheaper, etc.

I agree that is where a large section of the market is going is "I want great battery life and enough to browse web etc." we are there I grant you. and I'm not saying thats a silly model to exploit that trend on intels part. All im saying is they should take a double edged approach and not rest or settle on creeping advancements when they have the capital to output so much more or increase performance more rapidly because there is enough market share in that camp as well to make it justifiable on there end.

And good enough for now isn't always gonna be the case is all im trying to say i guess. although I'm not a huge fan of his know it all attitude, steve jobs did make a great point when he said "how do they know what they want until i give it to them?" on a broad scope thats what im saying is if they push things to a new level of things that can be done then it could create an even more rich computer environment for consumers and boom the market again. consumers don't know what they want is a fairly true statement, so give them somethign untouchably awesome and let the money roll in biggrin.gif

I agree with most of what you're saying, I just want bleeding edge stuff to keep coming as fast as it can and push things farther smile.gif
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post #102 of 210
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Now you're sounding like a zealot. Who got hurt? Whoever bought it before finding out how it performed and was disappointed probably learned a valuable lesson about researching.
Yup and that lesson was any AMD hype = lie until real world performance is shown.
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There really need to be a "Rumour Mill" or "Speculation" sub-forum for this crap so I don't have to dig through all of this rubbish to find real information.

This thread is neither. Its just putting my thoughts and desires into words.
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Would love to see another desktop opteron, It could posiably be like the old days with the FX and Opterons.
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The thing AMD has had on Intel for a long time now is upgrade ability. I don't want AMD to go the same route as Intel with top of the line CPUs requiring a motherboard upgrade as well. I like being able to get the 10% increase with minimal expense, thank you.
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The thing AMD has had on Intel for a long time now is upgrade ability. I don't want AMD to go the same route as Intel with top of the line CPUs requiring a motherboard upgrade as well. I like being able to get the 10% increase with minimal expense, thank you.

Personally I think Sticking with AM3 is the worst thing for AMD.

They need to drop that ancient Socket and upgrade. They should have done starting with BD.

Toss the PCI-E lanes onto the CPU, along with most NB functions and what ever is left toss on the SB.

Intel did this with 1155, its been a few years and still were dealing with old NB tech on AMD's high end side.
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That's not going to happen for a couple years. They are well invested into their current generation of CPUs. As many have said before me, there's really no reason for AMD to try to compete at the top of the line with Intel. It's not what makes them profits. It's merely bragging rights, nothing more. They can continue at their current trend and improve the FX line incrementally just like Intel is doing. Intel has the lead at top end but for budget minded consumers AMD is the place to be for desktop users.

I won't have to build a whole new PC to upgrade, just drop a new CPU in and enjoy better performance. At this point in time, there is very little that AMD's (or Intel's) CPUs from 4 years ago can't do for the general consumer. You can even game very well as long as you have a good GPU (or two).

I have gamer friends who are still rockin' core2duos and AMD 4000 series GPUs to this day. They have no issues playing the new games, just at lower settings is all and they don't care. Playing games at medium details or lowered resolution is the norm for the vast majority of the world. They are still happy with their PCs.

Sometimes the people on OCN forget what the rest of the world does or wants. You know, the 99% of consumers that generate 95% of AMD or Intel's income. We (here on OCN) want the latest and greatest but at some point it's not really useful for anything other than ePeen. You are entitled to do what you want with your money, I am just saying. My values and needs have changed over the years.

I used to encode movies all day long but since the invention and subsequent price reduction of hard drives in sizes of 2 TBs... I no longer need to. The files can just sit in my HTPC rather than on DVDs. My old Phenom X6 is not even being used that much anymore. Even less so now that PlayOnLinux/Wine have made great advances and Steam for Linux is in development. I don't even run Windows in a virtual environment anymore, it's not necessary. I could downgrade my CPU and be fine at this point. Other technological advances are factoring in to the CPU speed wars today. I honestly believe I could run this system I have now for 5 more years without a single issue. Seeing as my needs have changed it may end up being the case.
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30% better IPC will not happen. Also they need to move to a new socket, LGA. Another thing is with the "more cores" is that if the software can't use them then is does not matter how dam many you have.
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Also they need to move to a new socket, LGA.

Why?
   
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30% better IPC will not happen. Also they need to move to a new socket, LGA. Another thing is with the "more cores" is that if the software can't use them then is does not matter how dam many you have.

So what's gonna happen in a year or two when most games on the market are utilizing multi cores? All this discussion of how bad the current AMD CPUs are in gaming will become moot and suddenly AMD will be equal or ahead of Intel. Do you really believe that multi core is not the future of gaming or computing in general? Eventually 8 cores will be the norm, it's already getting there, look at the specs reported for the next generation of gaming consoles.
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