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I am not arguing that AMD needs more cores, 8 is plenty (too much?) for general desktop applications. I even mentioned,earlier in this thread, I have friends who are using the Core2Duos for gaming still today. This is where the market sits right now. I am however saying that in the near future today's AMD CPUs, like the FX 8350, will be quite the beast, once more applications become multi threaded. It's happening, just not fast enough for the power users' liking.

AMD's 8 core chips are still merely more like 4 core chips if anything. The Way I see it is AMD still only has 4 FPU's and they are weaker then Intel's FPU's at that. It's AMD's fault for not finding a way to use a single module a both a single thread and multi-thread tweaked architecture. Also the fact that BD was meant to clock to high clock speeds yet failed to do so is another reason why BD failed. AMD just needs to find a way to boost clock speeds to bring single thread IPC to the same level of a Intel chip at same cost, even if they need a entire extra gigahertz to do so.

AMD chips are defiantly geared for the future, but their power usage is still too high. Why they are not on the 28nm process yet beyond me, just another reason why AMD is falling behind.
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There's another reason why FX CPUs dosnt sell well, they are absolute garbage in (most) games. I have a FX8350 in my 2nd PC, and OCed to 4.8 GHz it still gets buttraped in 9 out of 10 games by my i5-3570K at 4.5.. AMD needs to improve gaming performance, they are really far behind here. Most games actually scale well with CPU power. Skyrim is a prime example.. My i5 gets 80 PERCENT higher avg. fps. It's pretty insane. 50 fps vs 90 fps average on ultra at 1920x1200.. Major and very noticeable difference.. rolleyes.gif

Overall my i5 is a much better CPU, feels alot smoother in most stuff. There's areas AMD do better, but its not much tbh. MKV encode is a little faster etc.

I hope AMD gets back on track with Steamroller, but im not expecting too much. Both Bulldozer and Piledriver was a big letdown, for me, atleast.

Gaming is a small part of CPU sales....
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Honestly, if you think objectively, what AMD has accomplished with less than 1/10th of the budget of Intel... it's amazing they are even competing at all. Keep some perspective here. It's not like they will magically produce money to build and research better technology. You have to support them financially for that to happen.
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...it's amazing they are even competing at all. Keep some perspective here. It's not like [AMD] will magically produce money to build and research better technology. You have to support them financially for that to happen.

Isn't that a bit of a Catch-22? AMD makes sub-par CPUs currently, but in order for them to improve in the future you have to buy their (relatively) under-performing products now? The problem is that it goes against customers' immediate self-interests, and therefore isn't a realistic scenario.
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There's another reason why FX CPUs dosnt sell well, they are absolute garbage in (most) games. I have a FX8350 in my 2nd PC, and OCed to 4.8 GHz it still gets buttraped in 9 out of 10 games by my i5-3570K at 4.5.. AMD needs to improve gaming performance, they are really far behind here. Most games actually scale well with CPU power. Skyrim is a prime example.. My i5 gets 80 PERCENT higher avg. fps. It's pretty insane. 50 fps vs 90 fps average on ultra at 1920x1200.. Major and very noticeable difference.. rolleyes.gif

Overall my i5 is a much better CPU, feels alot smoother in most stuff. There's areas AMD do better, but its not much tbh. MKV encode is a little faster etc.

I hope AMD gets back on track with Steamroller, but im not expecting too much. Both Bulldozer and Piledriver was a big letdown, for me, atleast.

where did you pull the difference from the fps lol

i get on average 70-90fps on ultra with skyrim with a gtx660tisc granted i can only go with 1080p due to monitor restrictions.

your difference seems excessive and wrong
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Isn't that a bit of a Catch-22? AMD makes sub-par CPUs currently, but in order for them to improve in the future you have to buy their (relatively) under-performing products now? The problem is that it goes against customers' immediate self-interests, and therefore isn't a realistic scenario.

Tell me how a i3 3220 is any better then a FX6300? They are pretty much the same price

You can OC that 6300 to match the i3 3220 in single thread performance. Can't do a damn thing to make the i3 thread any better...

Intel has better higher end chips, AMD still dominates the lower end.
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There's another reason why FX CPUs dosnt sell well, they are absolute garbage in (most) games. I have a FX8350 in my 2nd PC, and OCed to 4.8 GHz it still gets buttraped in 9 out of 10 games by my i5-3570K at 4.5.. AMD needs to improve gaming performance, they are really far behind here. Most games actually scale well with CPU power. Skyrim is a prime example.. My i5 gets 80 PERCENT higher avg. fps. It's pretty insane. 50 fps vs 90 fps average on ultra at 1920x1200.. Major and very noticeable difference.. rolleyes.gif

Overall my i5 is a much better CPU, feels alot smoother in most stuff. There's areas AMD do better, but its not much tbh. MKV encode is a little faster etc.

I hope AMD gets back on track with Steamroller, but im not expecting too much. Both Bulldozer and Piledriver was a big letdown, for me, atleast.

First of all, do you have the same GPU in your 2nd PC? If you do, something is wrong with the system. At that resolution both systems will perform almost identical. Good try at trolling though.
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Tell me how a i3 3220 is any better then a FX6300? They are pretty much the same price

You can OC that 6300 to match the i3 3220 in single thread performance. Can't do a damn thing to make the i3 thread any better...

Intel has better higher end chips, AMD still dominates the lower end.

Dominates? Hardly. It's not a badge of pride for AMD to be barely treading water with their 2nd-highest chip against Intel's lowest mid-range chip for most purposes.

Reasons that the i3-3220 is superior to the FX-6300:

1) Single-threaded performance in stock configuration is 33% faster than FX-6300 despite using 40% less watts (55w vs 95w). How much power does it take to OC a 6300 to parity with a 3220? 120 watts or more?

FX-6300-FX-4300-44.jpg

(Note that the chart above uses the 3225, which is identical to the 3220 except for a better IGP, which wasn't utilized in this benchmark.)

2) Integrated graphics. Say all you want about how lousy Intel's integrated graphics are, but at least they're usable for non-gaming purposes while you're waiting on your video card to be RMA'd. Redundancy is a good thing.

3) The 3220 costs $15-$20 less than the 6300 currently. And that doesn't include the $30+ aftermarket cooler required to rein in the monstrous heat output of the 6300 when you overclock it just in order to keep parity in single-threaded applications...
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Tell me how a i3 3220 is any better then a FX6300? They are pretty much the same price

You can OC that 6300 to match the i3 3220 in single thread performance. Can't do a damn thing to make the i3 thread any better...

Intel has better higher end chips, AMD still dominates the lower end.

Pretty much.
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Intel has better higher end chips, AMD still dominates the lower end.

That doesn't help them much in the market. Lower end chips are mainly used for pre-built machines, which Intel has in its pocket. That isn't even about performance or anything, that is contracts/agreements with PC manufacturers. To me, if you are building your own PC and are an enthusiast, the minimum is an i5.

With enthusiasts, AMD has fallen out. Like I had mentioned before in a previous thread, the enthusiasts drive the market and one major group of enthusiasts are reviewers. They write their reviews of the chips, compare them, and put them on the internet. If I am a less than tech savvy person and I see two computers at a store, one with an AMD cpu and one with Intel, if I google the difference before I buy you will see the reviews that show low AMD performance and non recommendations. That is how enthusiasts drive the consumer market.

They are really in a bad way right now. They don't have the PC manufacturer relationship Intel has to sell low end, they don't have the performance to sell high end, and they don't have the power consumption to performance to sell mobile. They are putting everything into HSA and that is a huge risk.
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Dominates? Hardly. It's not a badge of pride for AMD to be barely treading water with their 2nd-highest chip against Intel's lowest mid-range chip for most purposes.
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everyone knows that intel beats fx chips single threaded performance. Why do you lot still keep posting this rolleyes.gif

Its old news man lol

Im sick and tired of reading the same bloody threads week in week out. Im sure im not the only one lol

Ofc intel are dominating christ anybody whos knows a little bit about cpus knows this.

Im fed up with the same crap posted all the time

You dont need to post pictures telling us how things are. Why? We already bloody know biggrin.gif

i went with fx 8350 cause i had a am3+ board and i loved the fact i could overclock to 5ghz for a bloody cheap price.

can you do a 5ghz intel overclockfor the same price? Im not sure its why im asking biggrin.gif
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