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20 fps different is not identical @ 1080p, 1600p is a different story though.

Yes, but im running 1920x1200, and the difference is really noticeable. I bet ppl who dont trust me (and tomshardware) havent tried the difference.
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Those were 25s fraps runs. They mean nothing, to get a good idea you'd have to do atleast 2-5minutes.
Also that's just one game, one which is notorious for being a horrible console port.
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Those were 25s fraps runs. They mean nothing, to get a good idea you'd have to do atleast 2-5minutes.
Also that's just one game, one which is notorious for being a horrible console port.

I got both systems, and the i5 is superioer in pretty much all games, sometimes by more than 50%. Only in GPU intensive games, there is little difference. Like BF3 and Metro 2033.

AMD CPU in a serious gaming PC is madness tbh.. Read FX8350 reviews for proof wink.gif Luckily i got FX8350 + 990FX for 200 bucks.. Thats the only reason i bought it..
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AMD CPU in a serious gaming PC is madness tbh.. Read FX8350 reviews for proof wink.gif Luckily i got FX8350 + 990FX for 200 bucks.. Thats the only reason i bought it..

I suggests you REDO the FX 8350 over clock.
you are most likely hitting APM and/or thermal throttle.

APM will limit core speed to 2.8ghz
thermal throttle will limit it to 1.6ghz
    
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I suggests you REDO the FX 8350 over clock.
you are most likely hitting APM and/or thermal throttle.

APM will limit core speed to 2.8ghz
thermal throttle will limit it to 1.6ghz
I would imagine he knows about proper cooling.
 
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Bf3 is highly cpu intensive as well.. I'd go as far as to say that it's more CPU dependant than gpu dependant.

50% difference at 1080p sounds wrong, no offense but against a 3570k that isn't possible unless you're running the 8350 at a much lower speed.
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Bf3 is highly cpu intensive as well.. I'd go as far as to say that it's more CPU dependant than gpu dependant.

50% difference at 1080p sounds wrong, no offense but against a 3570k that isn't possible unless you're running the 8350 at a much lower speed.

It depends on what you are doing. BF3 multiplayer is very cpu heavy and is one of the few games AMD can compete on.This is because it can scale to 8 threads. I have seen BF3 single player benchmarks where the i3 gets as many FPS as an i7. That is basically the definition of GPU dependent. Single Player vs Multi-Player is a big difference on how much the CPU matters.

It is the same concept though. If a game uses less than 5 threads in multi-player where the CPU matters more, you will see those 40-50% differences. In Single Player where in most games the CPU doesn't matter much at all or in games where it can use all 8 threads, the difference won't be much.
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It depends on what you are doing. BF3 multiplayer is very cpu heavy and is one of the few games AMD can compete on.This is because it can scale to 8 threads. I have seen BF3 single player benchmarks where the i3 gets as many FPS as an i7. That is basically the definition of GPU dependent. Single Player vs Multi-Player is a big difference on how much the CPU matters.

It is the same concept though. If a game uses less than 5 threads in multi-player where the CPU matters more, you will see those 40-50% differences. In Single Player where in most games the CPU doesn't matter much at all or in games where it can use all 8 threads, the difference won't be much.

That's almost like "far cry 3" bench marks on tom's they have a stock I3 2100 up 3.1ghz near I7 3960X hex core at 4.25ghz.

setting where at medium 1920 x 1200 2xMSAA.

I just thought it was hugely odd.
    
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That's almost like "far cry 3" bench marks on tom's they have a stock I3 2100 up 3.1ghz near I7 3960X hex core at 4.25ghz.

setting where at medium 1920 x 1200 2xMSAA.

I just thought it was hugely odd.

If a game only uses the CPU to feed the GPU and the CPU hardly does anything else, as long as it is capable of maxing the GPU to 100% anything above that is wasted. An i3 is capable of doing that with 2 cores and HT. Any CPU above it in performance will perform the same. That is the result of the BF3 single player benchmarks. Multiplayer is a lot different.
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If a game only uses the CPU to feed the GPU and the CPU hardly does anything else, as long as it is capable of maxing the GPU to 100% anything above that is wasted. An i3 is capable of doing that with 2 cores and HT. Any CPU above it in performance will perform the same. That is the result of the BF3 single player benchmarks. Multiplayer is a lot different.

This what I'm talking about have a good look.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/far-cry-3-performance-benchmark,3379-7.html

FX 4170 Zambezi is beating Deneb.
    
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Back to the topic at hand, I don't believe AMD needs to topple Intel's high end CPUs. They need better marketing to advertise their strengths rather than trying to claim to be the best... They should be advertising low cost and future upgrade capabilities. A television ad once in a while wouldn't hurt, play up the 'we're a smaller company competing' a little.

AMD doesn't have enough money for R&D to get themselves out of their performance hole as it is, wasting $TEXAS in additional marketing isn't going to help. And if it's true that AMD has a lead on "low-information consumers" (as some of their apologists claim), advertising how AMD's motherboard sockets can be upgraded with future chips is a moot point since their primary customers wouldn't know how to do something llke a CPU upgrade in the first place!
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They will probably never have the funds that Intel has. Remember Intel has done some shady business practices to achieve their current status. You can figure it is still ongoing. At least the affects are.

The anti-trust misdeeds that Intel committed in the past have no logical bearing when selecting a CPU today. All that matters are price and performance.
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Someone has to support the little guy or there will be no competition. AMD will not generate money without people like myself, purchasing their products. So if you want AMD to succeed you may want to consider which CPU you want for that next PC in the house.

If you want to put an inferior product in your home in order to prop up a failing company, that's your business. But it's futile to suggest that others do so, as it goes against their immediate self-interest.
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This what I'm talking about have a good look.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/far-cry-3-performance-benchmark,3379-7.html

FX 4170 Zambezi is beating Deneb.

Yeah, I don't know how much I would trust that comparison. The first 4 are within reasonable margin of error, which means they perform equally (within +/- 2-3 fps of eachother). With the 4 core performing the same as the 6 core with HT, that shows me it doesn't scale past 4 threads. If FC3 peaks at 4 threads, Daneb with 4 real cores and higher IPC design should be atleast on par with a 4170 and a 4170 shouldn't have that big of a dip below the 8350.
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