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AMD passed them once before using revolutionary ideas, not RD, i think they can do it again with what they are doing with "Fusion" not to mention leaks suggest that haswell is only netting a 5.5% ipc increase over Ivy, if amd can come up good on their claims of 20-30% performance increase with steamroller, it will be close once again, and without a doubt AMD will be far ahead at least in multithreaded.
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In my opinion, the new AMD architecture is really quite brilliant and has tremendous potential going forward. The problem is that it is very immature, and therefore, what is ≠ what could be. What AMD has been able to put out unfortunately lags too far in single threaded performance, but the knockout punch is probably that their process tech is going to be two generations behind Intel's. On a low level, I think it has much greater potential than anything Intel is currently producing, which (and you could argue, they're only doing this because they're not being pressured on the performance end) is largely focused on power consumption and die shrinkage. Intel's pipeline seems to be more along the lines of refinement than anything new, and this has really been the case for several years now (we'd be foolish to think they're not prototyping next-gen architectures in the lab).

That said, while the outlook seems bleak for AMD, I wouldn't rule them out. Remember, the expectations for AMD can never be compared to Intel. If they can be profitable in 2014, which is a likely possibility provided they don't take many (any?) more one-time accounting charges, that should be considered a success. I still think they badly need a cash infusion and/or to be purchased, but it's quite possible they can turn things around. Just don't expect them to beat Intel, but then again, no one reasonable should have been expecting that in the first place.
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It's pretty insane. 50 fps vs 90 fps average on ultra at 1920x1200.. Major and very noticeable difference.. rolleyes.gif

Eitherr your Intel based computer is made of pixie dust, or the AMD one has been beaten with a sledgehammer, because both results are completely off the charts.
   
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30% better IPC will not happen. Also they need to move to a new socket, LGA. Another thing is with the "more cores" is that if the software can't use them then is does not matter how dam many you have.

LGA makes it cheaper for the CPU company but more expensive for the motherboard company. There's no inherent benefit to it in terms of performance.



There are plenty of non-consumer software that will use all the cores you have.
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This what I'm talking about have a good look.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/far-cry-3-performance-benchmark,3379-7.html

FX 4170 Zambezi is beating Deneb.

lol looks like a ringing endorsement for AMD
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The good news for folks with Piledriver-based processors is that the FX-8350 is nearly as quick as Intel's Core i3-2100 (never mind the fact that the Core i3 costs $90 less).

The Bulldozer-based FX-4170's minimum frame rate is quite a bit lower, though it's still plenty playable. Dual-core chips from both AMD and Intel take fairly substantial hits, while the Phenom II X4 955's Stars architecture bottlenecks performance, despite the fact that it sports four physical cores.
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If there's any reason a Steamroller-based processor (as an APU) should decimate any Intel offerings, it is HSA.

Regarding traditional performance, I don't think we should be setting expectations like we did with BD. But, yeah, with HSA, prepare for decimation is all I can say.

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Whats with all this hype again....u will get slightly improved piledriver....Nothing to see here folks move along.
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Whats with all this hype again....u will get slightly improved piledriver....Nothing to see here folks move along.

There you go again, what hype ? ?! ? !? !? !? :-/ 15% was said that is all.

you people, enthusiast, community, forums, are driving the only HYPE here only.

This always happens too.
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^ As I was saying, I think that we should, as members who are looking forward to what's coming from AMD, try not to get into any hype. AMD's (traditional) performance estimates are sometimes incorrect. It happens. In the end, the last thing I want to happen is to have to deal with a butthurt section of the community all over again.

 

If you really want something to be excited about regarding AMD and with a guarantee that what is coming is going to be awesome, look to the next level of HSA. This will significantly improve the performance/watt of doing several tasks in an advantageous way not currently matched by any competition (i.e. calculating physics); on top of that, AMD has support from a number of large companies in the large HSA foundation.

 

You guys should keep in mind that focusing on lowering power consumption/improving performance per watt can help improve performance as a sole aspect as well. I speculated that the addition of RCM on recent AMD processors increase the potential processor clock speed at the same power envelope. This looks like it may be happening with the next-gen RIchland APU. No matter which aspect a company is focusing on improving specifically (performance vs. power consumption), both still probably improve in the end.

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Green team is AMD still... Notice their logo?
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