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post #181 of 210
bulldozer = the path maker
pile driver = the road marker
steam roller = the road smoother

AMD has stated it is not going to compete with Intel on smt so single threaded performance side of AMD will most likely never compete with Intel again on single thread performance. it not worth the mili-seconds to mainstream


AMD is going heavy multi-threading or CMT and pile driver is surely showing some grunt on multi-threaded performance.
if the performance increases as AMD has promised and are still behind on die size and are performing better in some instances than Intel smaller die your seriously missing a point. and never underestimate the underdog as they are capable of swiftly removing you from competition.

the biggest and most obvious probs with the arch for AMD was the shared front end, it couldn't get fed fast enough, most obvious in bulldozer when the more you fed it the faster it seemed to get. i was expecting better from it, but was not hoping for a total massive beat down on Intel, at most close some of the gap.

and using cinema 4d is not a real world comparison for cpu's cinema 4d is "highly optimized" for Intel cpus,this has been pointed out numerous times that anyone still thinks this is a fair comparison needs to go look at the programming that it comes from. this program is used for servers to find weak spots on Intel servers and highly written specifically for that purpose. it is essentially in simpler terms an Intel server optimization program.

and yes it is time for AMD to get a new socket for high end, I would gladly pay for a BGA board capable of the 5 module 10 thread monster that could be, as was told for release of bulldozer in the first place. Komodo was supposed to be 5 module 10 thread which BGA was supposed to be fitted for. but because some of the enthusiast market complained about the socket change they decided to stay on PGA which the 5 module will not fit cause they can not stuff the pins in the area of pga for it.


enthusiast market has no pull on these companies try again!!
because a bunch of enthusists complained about updatability we don't get the 5 module capable boards.

THANKS A LOT!!

i would surely enjoy a 50% better contact surface. a 15% better chance of no refetchs because of loss of surface contact and whole slew of other stuff listed as advantages over PGA and LGA.
AMD sticking to the "ol reliable" PGA socket in my opinion is part of AMD's failures. yes it has served well over the past 15 years it is time to move on, PGA is dead in my eyes,when i see the benefits listed of BGA compared to lga or pga the socket needs to change even if it does mean an extra 30-40 dollars extra for a board.
until AMD makes changes to suit the needs of their own best interests i am staying with my thuban and 960 machines with 990 boards till i can be proven AMD is worth my money again.
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I think intel and amd are competive, they went different ways. One went more cores and the other went more clock. They are in the middle of a role reversal. They can only develop these technologies so far before they have to go to the other side. So much clock, well now we need more cores. Damn we got cores, but now we need to bring ipc up.
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I think intel and amd are competive, they went different ways. One went more cores and the other went more clock. They are in the middle of a role reversal. They can only develop these technologies so far before they have to go to the other side. So much clock, well now we need more cores. Damn we got cores, but now we need to bring ipc up.
With the way AMD is going, they don't need to work too much on IPC. As long as they meet some kind of IPC increase at least every die shrink. They may have Intel beat in the price/performance department for many years to come. The reason why is HSA will bring in a new bread of software built on technology known as HSAIL. Which all of you should be familiar with OpenCL, now HSAIL isn't the same thing as OpenCL but works with the same principle in mind. Tho with HSA the CPU and GPU can share memory and work in parallel to each other. AMD has been sitting on a wild card for a long time, with the idea of building a little super computer out of their chip. Intel has been giving AMD the squeeze for a while now, AMD has been waiting patiently for their turn to fight back and it looks like they brought a bazooka to a knife fight. Right now a A10-5800k is theoretically faster than Intel's flagship 3960x. The only problem is utilizing all of that compute performance, which is what HSA will finally fix. Be prepared for a APU under $200 that can handle over 1 teraflop by 2014. By mid 2014 most software developers should be building up new builds of their applications using HSAIL. AMD shouldn't have a problem with getting developers attention to build HSA compatible software. As AMD is a huge distributor to OEM manufactures because of their cost. By 2015 most home desktop computers will be powered by a AMD accelerated processing unit. What does this mean for Intel? They will merely go back to being the high end desktop processor manufacture, for those who wish to have the dedicated graphics for the ultimate gaming rig. At least AMD will claim back the budget market that they deserve. Intel will remain on top for the desktop market, but AMD will nearly take over the mobile market. A laptop capable of 1 teraflop? Yes please.
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Power consumption and the amount of heat you need to dissipate are essentially one and the same, so it's not entirely irrelevant to the enthusiast.
I do expect Steamroller to be very significant improvement (maybe not quite a 30% IPC boost though), and think it will likely match, or possibly beat, the 4770k in heavily threaded work loads.
Even a ~30% boost in IPC will leave Steamroller far below the IPC of Haswell, Ivy, or even Sandy..

but amd uses soi which has less leakage, so produces less heat at a given power consumption/usage scenario

and if ipc can match sandy bridge then amd got themselves a winner, remember they have the clockspeed advantage, and the smt advantage
amd uses soi which scales much better for higher clocks (look at es Ericsson using soi for their arm a9s and doing 3ghz, thats impressive)
intel on the other hand will not be clocking haswell any higher than ivy, they wil barely have 100mhz extra on each sku so thats an easy swing for amd to take advantage of.
also 22nm didnt bring any overclock potention so far, im not sure whether that is an architecture limitation with sandy and ivy or whether its process wise. but with amd its still to be see what 28nm soi will bring to the table in terms of efficieny and overclocking, so new architecture and new process is sure interesting
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but amd uses soi which has less leakage, so produces less heat at a given power consumption/usage scenario

It's more like you get less power consumption at the same switching speeds/voltage/current. Thus, lower heat output.
   
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Now onto Steamroller. Projected 20-30% better IPC then "Piledriver".
That is for multi-threaded applications. Aka more cores. Which is meh.
They need a huge boost of single threaded performance.
Edited by zalbard - 3/2/13 at 3:56am
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Does anybody knows for sure will Steamroller be AM3+ socket compatible ??
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Yes, AMD said on their slates it is going to be.
   
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One of the reasons why I''m saving up my millions to get Steamroller, this 1055T is still the best CPU I've owned until then.
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yea i hope steamroller will be my next upgrade form a phemon x4 955
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