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Fractal Design Define R4 + ASUS Sabertooth Z77 + Corsair H100i Compatibility inquiry

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Hello there, overclock.net,

I would also like to see if any of you have experience with Fractal Design Define R4's and Asus Sabertooth z77's, my concern being that I might not be able to fit the desired H100i into the space above the MOBO. To any of you who are uninitiated but think that you will be able to tell just by looking at it (and indeed to those who just want to get a better look), I have went to the trouble of getting you time-stamped youtube links highlighting the space between MOBO and top of case (Links will be below). I have also linked below the NZXT guide on fan capabilities of the cases(if it's relevant).

Do you think that this cooler will fit in the case or do you think that the radiator will clash with the drm heatsink on the mobo?
All suggestions welcome. I can provide more info if necessary.

Thanks for your time,
Peter
@22a
post #2 of 9
Just wanted to say, I got an h100i in mine. In the front. Fits just fine and cools very well.
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AMD Rig.
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 4670k 4.4ghz MSI Z87 G45 EVGA GTX 570 SLI  Crucial Ballstix Tactical Tracer 8gb 1866mhz  
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
Samsung 830 128gb x2 in raid 0 & 1tb storage Corsair h100i  Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit Asus VG278HE / AOC 917SW 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair k90 Antec Gamer 900watt Silverstone Raven RV02 Logitech G500 
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XTRAC PADS Ripper XXL Asus Xonar DX with sennheiser pc 350 SE 
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i7 2630QM GTX 570M 1.536MB 6GB DDR3 1333mhz Dual Channel 64gb M4 crucial SSD & 750gb 7200rpm HDD 
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post #3 of 9
I have the exact same set up (Define R4 + Sabertooth z77) and have just installed the H100i in the roof of the case (had been waiting for the Noctua D14 but out of stock where I am so went H100i). Was a bit tricky given location of the ATX 8 pin Power connector but managed to get it in there without putting much pressure on the power cable. Location of the rad is slightly off centre to provide some clearance from mobo and the 140mm fan at the back of case. I haven't over clocked the 3770k [yet] but when playing BF3 for about 1 hr I went from ~95/100c under the stock cpu fan down to ~53c under H100i. I also found the bundled fans quite noisy with default settings. Have change the profile to quiet and now its fine with only a minor increase in temps (~3c). When I eventually OC I suspect i may need to crank the fans up but we'll see. So far I'm pleased.
post #4 of 9
Thread Starter 
Brilliant, that's exactly what I wanted to hear.

Funny enough, I initially wanted the NH-D14, but decided that rookie water cooling was the way to go.

Do you have a rear 140mm fan installed? If so, do you think that the negative air pressure in the case will cause a dust problem? I've bought a Corsair AX140 Quiet Edition for the back 140 slot; but I'm wondering if the fact that there's 3 exhaust fans and only 2 intake fans will have a negative effect.

Do you mind me asking if you have any pics of your rig? I'd love to see what it looks like and how close the rad is to the 8pin mobo power connector. If not, that's fine.

Thanks a million for your reply, it just made life a lot easier.
post #5 of 9
No probs 8xaa. Have included some pics below. Just on the fans, I'm running positive pressure:
Intakes: Corsair AF140 Quiet + Bundled 140mm in front; Corsair AF120 Quiet at the side
Exhausts: Bundled 140mm at the rear.

I hadn't planned on installing the side intake but when I got nervous about the CPU temps under stock fan I added this. I may now remove but it's not really causing any harm. I'm not sure how significant the dust issue is when running negative pressure.


A - Overall pic of the rig. About 3 weeks old (with exception of H100i installed a few days ago)


B - Side on view to give you a sense of the gap between fans and ram/mobo. Not sure if you're building from scratch or adding to a build. I have low profile ram which didn't pose any issues for me. Not sure what you have (or plan to have) but I reckon you could probably get away with taller ram given the clearance. Potentially it may impede you getting the rad into the top but you could always remove ram and install after (based on the clearance I can see).


C - Another view. May look like I'm squeezing the life out of the power cable (yellow with black braid) but looks are deceiving. There's enough play and flex there so I'm comfortable. I did pull a little more of the power cable through the grommet to allow for this - bit more untidy but it's not a display rig.


D - View of the hoses and clearance from back fan.


E - Top view to show rad placement. You'll see it's more to the left. This was to give me more clearance from the mobo and power cable. I may tape up the honeycomb area that's around the outside of the rad.


FWIW here are my thoughts on installing the H100i:
  • Install the backplate as pictured in the H100i Quick start guide. There seems to be a lot of grief on the internet about it not fitting. I think people just haven't paid attention to the detail. The notched side should be pointing towards the CPU_FAN connector on the Sabertooth Z77.
  • Once standoff screws are installed onto backplate and tightened, the backplate will still be a little loose and not hard up against the back of the mobo. This is fine. The mounting becomes "tight" once mounting bracket and pump unit is installed on top.
  • Once radiator is installed, you won't be able to access the FAN connectors at the top of the mobo. I ended up using the CHA_FAN2 on the side for the H100i. Probably could have used the CPU FAN connecter if I'd thought about this before installing the rad but may require a second pair of hands while you fumble with the rad.
  • I installed the H100i with the case in the upright position. If I was to do it again, I'd install the backplate and rad the same, but I'd mount the water pump with the case on its side (trying to do this upright was a pain).
  • I could have done a better job with the H100i cable management but to be honest my focus was on how to get the rad up the top. Cable mgmt was an afterthought. I will fix this one day but if tidiness is your thing, may pay to route some the supplied H100i cables through the upper grommet first (if you want to use this) before installing the rad.
  • When I first booted, I got a "CPU Fan error". Solved this by going into the BIOS and selecting "Ignore" for the CPU_FAN (as I'm using CHA-FAN2). I don't think there's any problem by not using the CPU_FAN for the CPU but will do some more research and rectify if needed.

Hope that helps.
post #6 of 9
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Well, you and you alone have gone above and beyond in helping me, for that I thank you immensely. I'm building from scratch. These rig pics are amazing, incredibly insightful, your rig looks great even though it's not a display rig by the way. I completely negated the fact that not many people get the R4 windowed edition, where as I have, and will therefore be stuck with negative pressure.

The box got a bit beat up in transit, but the case is fine...

I was intending on moving the stock rear 140mm fractal fan to the front of the case to accompany its brother, just for continuity. Which leaves me with a AF140 in the back and the two h100i fans in the top(which i may swap out for a pair of Noctua NF-F12's and use them to pull the air through the rad as opposed to having them below the rad and pushing, because I don't really want to have fans with fecal matter camo visible in my rig.) But either way, stock h100i fans or not, I'll still be running negative pressure unless I somehow try and populate the bottom 120/140 mm fan housing with a 120mm fan (however this will likely pose a plethora of implications regarding the power supply's cables)[AX860i hopefully].

Yet again, thanks a million for your help.
post #7 of 9
Good luck with the build. Sounds like you're pulling together some nice components. And with your modular PSU you may be able to get your 120mm on the floor. You'll have to post a pic once you're up and running.
post #8 of 9
I'll be doing an all white case build on the Design R4 with this same Corsair H100i. Tempted to try an H110 and install a slim Scythe fan on the rear to get the required clearance. I saw a nice vid on a an H100i install on an Arc Mini and it worked pretty well. But, the Design R4 is only about 40 mm longer. Read on the Tom's forums that someone tried pretty hard to do it but they weren't successful. Still tempted to give it a go though.

Going to pick up the White Newton Power Supply from Fractal as well. It's no longer than 170mm so the case will take a 140mm fan on the bottom.

Going to make it two 140mm in the front. This should get me positive pressure in the case with all fans running low when idle but convert to negative pressure for improved cooling when the fans spin up. Controlling all fans centrally from the Sabertooth X79. Should look nice.
post #9 of 9
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Originally Posted by AJR1775 View Post

It's no longer than 170mm so the case will take a 140mm fan on the bottom.

I wouldn't be too sure about that. I have a sneaking suspicion that the PSU that I've selected won't fit, and it's only 160mm.


Sure, a 160/170mm psu alone might not conflict with the 120/140mm fan that you or I want to put in the floor, but you have to also take into consideration the fact that cables have to come out of it also. (Unless you were factoring that into your measurement, in which case, yes by all means do so). Yet again, I might be completely wrong in this aspect, and it might all fit. As it stands I have every single component apart from the psu (AX860i by the way) so I can't make a decision yet whether or not to get a 120mm AF120 quiet edition for the floor of the case. [rant] Also, what's the deal with a single AF120 quiet edition being £12.50 where as the quiet edition dual pack is £22.50 and the wind turbine edition is only £10? [/rant]

If I can't fit the 120mm in the floor I'll most likely be running negative pressure unless I work some magic in corsair link or the sabertooth's own fan control software. I've got the two fractal design 140mm fans that come with the case in the front, and a AF140 quiet edition in the back, and the 2x 120mm fans on the H100i. That's 2x 140 for intake and 1x 140 + 2x 120 for exhaust. Most definitely negative pressure unless I can ramp the front fans up higher than the back 3. Or I could try and squeeze the 120 alongside the psu cables (recipe for disaster). Only time will tell. I'll post results here when I'm finished.

None-the-less, your build sounds really good, make sure to report back here with pics when it's done.

-8xaa
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