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660 ti is still considered "Budget" builds along with 7870.
With everything he is using the 660 ti is the lowest part of his build. Ya it will last 2-4 years but will it run over 40 fps? Probably not, without sacrificing the good looks of pc gaming.

I would upgrade cooling as well.

Like my build is "Almost" High end but because im rocking my asrock extreme 4 its the lowest part of my system lol. Which is a budget board. To me "high end" near the top of the line in everything. 670/680 or 7950/7970, 170$+ board, i5 or i7, atleast a 750 watt psu, SSD and good cooling.

Couldn't agree with you more, the board is such a scrap with the awful Mosfets.
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GPU is definitely sub par, I have to agree.

I find it entertaining when people who game at 60hz 1080p with all games on "ultra" and say cards can run anything, with no mention of AA settings. The biggest ignorance of graphics rendering out there, is the ignorance of higher resolutions and refresh rates. I can not stand seeing my FPS drop below 80 usually, just to make sure there is always a frame for my 1440p 60hz monitor to display.

Then again, it is all about trade offs, my background in gaming is in FPS', and I remember Counter Strike / Quake / UT on large CRTs... I can't wait for a similarly fluid experience from a flat screen.
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GPU is definitely sub par, I have to agree.

I find it entertaining when people who game at 60hz 1080p with all games on "ultra" and say cards can run anything, with no mention of AA settings. The biggest ignorance of graphics rendering out there, is the ignorance of higher resolutions and refresh rates. I can not stand seeing my FPS drop below 80 usually, just to make sure there is always a frame for my 1440p 60hz monitor to display.

Then again, it is all about trade offs, my background in gaming is in FPS', and I remember Counter Strike / Quake / UT on large CRTs... I can't wait for a similarly fluid experience from a flat screen.


subpar my butt biggrin.gif

all you are trying to do is put down a card that cost $100 less than yours and you refuse to believe we can game at acceptable lvls

heres settings i play at i dont play with vcore on either like you. i not been playing it for long so cant say what the overall fps is but it plays at around 80 goes up to 120 at places but also drops to 60 sometimes
if i were to play with vcore on it would be solid at 60

also your 80fps on your 60htz monitor is going to waste, just like mine biggrin.gif

so stop trolling please a card thats over £230(thats $362.55 iny our currency) is not subpar
i guess your epeen is massive

oh i forgot to add i game at 5ghz on my subpar fx 8350 too

Edited by gertruude - 2/4/13 at 1:34pm
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Play skyrim with ENB + 2k/4k/8k mods + Sweet fx injector @ 1080p with everything max and get 50 fps in towns or forests, then ill admit the 660 ti is not sub par.

Your missing what is considered HIGH end. Dollars makes an item high end, Price/performance is a completely different subject.
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Play skyrim with ENB + 2k/4k/8k mods + Sweet fx injector @ 1080p with everything max and get 50 fps in towns or forests, then ill admit the 660 ti is not sub par.

Your missing what is considered HIGH end. Dollars makes an item high end, Price/performance is a completely different subject.

hmmm ok ill take a look.

dont get me wrong im not saying its high end lol im just saying its not subpar as people are making out lol

maybe to you young guns who want the best of everything with no kids etc can afford the top notch stuff or got rich parents who buys it for them then fair enough to slate down a card as being subpar when clearly to normal folk its not is just wrong smile.gif

but anyhow i aint arguing about it, no point as you'll never agree with me and vice versa lol

i think its wrong to tell OP he got a subpar gfx card when theres clearly subpar cards out there that are far worse than the 660ti

edit

a far better way is to say:

well your gfx card isnt high end....its a mid range card lol

far better than your gpu is subpar

you see the difference lol
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subpar my butt biggrin.gif

all you are trying to do is put down a card that cost $100 less than yours and you refuse to believe we can game at acceptable lvls

heres settings i play at i dont play with vcore on either like you. i not been playing it for long so cant say what the overall fps is but it plays at around 80 goes up to 120 at places but also drops to 60 sometimes
if i were to play with vcore on it would be solid at 60

also your 80fps on your 60htz monitor is going to waste, just like mine biggrin.gif

so stop trolling please a card thats over £230(thats $362.55 iny our currency) is not subpar
i guess your epeen is massive

oh i forgot to add i game at 5ghz on my subpar fx 8350 too

No.. To be honest, my card is also subpar. Any new games pretty much rape it at 1440p, simply runs out of juice. I got the 4GB card to run the resolution while gaming and still have my other monitor up, I knew if I stuck with the card, SLI was likely going to be necessary to really game well. There is a significant difference between my 670 and the 660ti. Calling the 670 subpar is still "kinda" ok as it does suffer compared to the 680. I just didn't feel a 560$ 680gtx 4gb was worth the money when I would likely need a second card of the 670 or 680 to truly saturate the monitors ability to display frames in all situations.

All that being said, my card being sub par, doesn't have squat to do with 660ti being sub par. Just because all Nvidia owners were ripped off by the lack of big kepler, for the true "enthusiast" card doesn't mean his 660ti isn't sub-par.

That extra 20 frames isn't exactly going to waste, because any FPS drops on Physx don't tend to cause stutter on me. But that is all how you look at it, my monitor is only showing me 60 frames a second.

I'm not sure how your AMD butthurtness got into the mix, because I said nothing about the processor whatsoever. I guess your epeen is having some issues as you seem to be seriously defensive about your Vishera and 660ti.

EDIT: Nice job avoiding every relevant statement in my post and turning this into some type of pissing contest.

Oh, nice 1080p 75hz monitor, try gaming at a high resolution OR a faster refresh time.

Derp.

Ok fine, to be constructive I'll even tell you WHY you are wrong, and it has everything to do with memory on the cards. Your 660Ti is great for a bargain mid-range offering but it has severe resolution and texturing limitations. You seem to be OK with lower textures, and obviously lower resolutions. I am not, the major improvement of the standard 670 over the 660Ti is the memory buffer bandwidth. Your pipe is only 192-bit, where the 670 is basically the same card, for more money and a 256-bit memory interface. Now this does result in a lot of gains in higher texture quality, but overall rendering is nearly identical. Where my card excels even further is the fact that I have 4GB of GDDR5 and I run games which use ~2GB of GDDR or more, and I run at resolutions and AA settings which are very high, this also increases the memory footprint. I can't cheat out AERO of all of its memory, because I run multiple monitors at OVER 1080p resolution. This means when your 660TI for 100$ less is stuttering like a tourettes kid through a speech, all of my monitors will remain nice and crisp and smooth.

All us NVidia owners were screwed because the 680 wasn't based off of the true enthusiast chip, the GK110, it was based on the inferrior, mid-ranged designed chip which SHOULD have been the 660Ti, the GK104. All prices were cascaded off of the 680 being the "top" card, which it isn't. That is why the 7970's are mostly crushing 680s, if AMD had a decent driver and CF didn't have such bad scaling at higher resolutions, there wouldn't even be a contest. Nvidia sat back and sold us crappier cards than what they could have, because their competition wasn't strong enough to force them to sell the larger chips at 500$ price-point to win.

Also, the huge supply issues from TSMC probably did have something to do with big kepler not making its appearance when it should have rolleyes.gif
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subpar my butt biggrin.gif

all you are trying to do is put down a card that cost $100 less than yours and you refuse to believe we can game at acceptable lvls

heres settings i play at i dont play with vcore on either like you. i not been playing it for long so cant say what the overall fps is but it plays at around 80 goes up to 120 at places but also drops to 60 sometimes
if i were to play with vcore on it would be solid at 60

also your 80fps on your 60htz monitor is going to waste, just like mine biggrin.gif

so stop trolling please a card thats over £230(thats $362.55 iny our currency) is not subpar
i guess your epeen is massive

oh i forgot to add i game at 5ghz on my subpar fx 8350 too

ConGratz your still getting less frames then I did years ago.... So highend rolleyes.gif

I wouldn't really call any Nvidia Card high end, that is unless you have a 680 @ 1300mhz on the core. The 7970 is the only high end card out, everything else is just mid-high mid range. That is if your 7970 can do 1250+.

You have nothing more then a AVG card, nothing special. A GTX580 for the most part is faster then a 660ti, even if you start overclocking both unless the 580 clocks like crap It would have no problems beating the 660ti in most games. So clearly being slower then the best of last gen makes your card just meh to us OCNers.
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No.. To be honest, my card is also subpar. Any new games pretty much rape it at 1440p, simply runs out of juice. I got the 4GB card to run the resolution while gaming and still have my other monitor up, I knew if I stuck with the card, SLI was likely going to be necessary to really game well. There is a significant difference between my 670 and the 660ti. Calling the 670 subpar is still "kinda" ok as it does suffer compared to the 680. I just didn't feel a 560$ 680gtx 4gb was worth the money when I would likely need a second card of the 670 or 680 to truly saturate the monitors ability to display frames in all situations.

All that being said, my card being sub par, doesn't have squat to do with 660ti being sub par. Just because all Nvidia owners were ripped off by the lack of big kepler, for the true "enthusiast" card doesn't mean his 660ti isn't sub-par.

That extra 20 frames isn't exactly going to waste, because any FPS drops on Physx don't tend to cause stutter on me. But that is all how you look at it, my monitor is only showing me 60 frames a second.

I'm not sure how your AMD butthurtness got into the mix, because I said nothing about the processor whatsoever. I guess your epeen is having some issues as you seem to be seriously defensive about your Vishera and 660ti.

EDIT: Nice job avoiding every relevant statement in my post and turning this into some type of pissing contest.

Oh, nice 1080p 75hz monitor, try gaming at a high resolution OR a faster refresh time.

Derp.

Ok fine, to be constructive I'll even tell you WHY you are wrong, and it has everything to do with memory on the cards. Your 660Ti is great for a bargain mid-range offering but it has severe resolution and texturing limitations. You seem to be OK with lower textures, and obviously lower resolutions. I am not, the major improvement of the standard 670 over the 660Ti is the memory buffer bandwidth. Your pipe is only 192-bit, where the 670 is basically the same card, for more money and a 256-bit memory interface. Now this does result in a lot of gains in higher texture quality, but overall rendering is nearly identical. Where my card excels even further is the fact that I have 4GB of GDDR5 and I run games which use ~2GB of GDDR or more, and I run at resolutions and AA settings which are very high, this also increases the memory footprint. I can't cheat out AERO of all of its memory, because I run multiple monitors at OVER 1080p resolution. This means when your 660TI for 100$ less is stuttering like a tourettes kid through a speech, all of my monitors will remain nice and crisp and smooth.

All us NVidia owners were screwed because the 680 wasn't based off of the true enthusiast chip, the GK110, it was based on the inferrior, mid-ranged designed chip which SHOULD have been the 660Ti, the GK104. All prices were cascaded off of the 680 being the "top" card, which it isn't. That is why the 7970's are mostly crushing 680s, if AMD had a decent driver and CF didn't have such bad scaling at higher resolutions, there wouldn't even be a contest. Nvidia sat back and sold us crappier cards than what they could have, because their competition wasn't strong enough to force them to sell the larger chips at 500$ price-point to win.

Also, the huge supply issues from TSMC probably did have something to do with big kepler not making its appearance when it should have rolleyes.gif

hmmm how did i miss the information in your post. you said people dont post their aa settings when they say they play at ultra. i think i posted them.
how am i turning this into a pissing contest lol u stated your opinions and i stated mine i added the subpar fx 8350 because i think thats what you would think about my processor. Am i wrong?

if i could play at above 1080p i would but sadly my monitor doesnt allow me to. tongue.gif

i think also you have taken my post a bit too personally. A bit too close to your heart. You seem angry and agressive biggrin.gif

all i was doing was pointing out how the card isnt subpar. But hey if its not good enough for you then so be it.

To tell someone his card is subpar is plain rude. when in real world its more than capable for 98% of people who play games.


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ConGratz your still getting less frames then I did years ago.... So highend rolleyes.gif

I wouldn't really call any Nvidia Card high end, that is unless you have a 680 @ 1300mhz on the core. The 7970 is the only high end card out, everything else is just mid-high mid range. That is if your 7970 can do 1250+.

You have nothing more then a AVG card, nothing special. A GTX580 for the most part is faster then a 660ti, even if you start overclocking both unless the 580 clocks like crap It would have no problems beating the 660ti in most games. So clearly being slower then the best of last gen makes your card just meh to us OCNers.

if you actually read the thread you would see i said the 660ti is a mid ranged card biggrin.gif

I dont care what beats my card lol im happy with it solid 60fps with vsync on in most games will do me just fine thankyou

The hate on this forum between people is rediculous and if being a "OCNer" is about slating peoples hardware then you can keep the title rolleyes.gif

i know plenty of ocner's who don't come across like you lot in this thread

its sad to see
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hmmm how did i miss the information in your post. you said people dont post their aa settings when they say they play at ultra. i think i posted them.
how am i turning this into a pissing contest lol u stated your opinions and i stated mine i added the subpar fx 8350 because i think thats what you would think about my processor. Am i wrong?

if i could play at above 1080p i would but sadly my monitor doesnt allow me to. tongue.gif

i think also you have taken my post a bit too personally. A bit too close to your heart. You seem angry and agressive biggrin.gif

all i was doing was pointing out how the card isnt subpar. But hey if its not good enough for you then so be it.

To tell someone his card is subpar is plain rude. when in real world its more than capable for 98% of people who play games.
if you actually read the thread you would see i said the 660ti is a mid ranged card biggrin.gif

I dont care what beats my card lol im happy with it solid 60fps with vsync on in most games will do me just fine thankyou

The hate on this forum between people is rediculous and if being a "OCNer" is about slating peoples hardware then you can keep the title rolleyes.gif

i know plenty of ocner's who don't come across like you lot in this thread

its sad to see

I see you trying to turn it around, but at no point did I ever suggest the vishera is a bad chip. You brought that up out of nowhere.

Now lets talk context, the OP asked if his system was high end, so we're talking up there. If a 670gtx 4gb is sub par, a 660Ti is certainly sub par. Your card in your system is capable of maintaining 60hz in most games at 1080p. That is average for gamers, as most game on 1080p. But the context of the post is not whats "average" its whats "high end" and when you put it in that context, a 670 4gb is simply sub par, therefor your 660Ti as well. It isn't an insult, or something you need to defend, you seem quite satisfied with your purchase but, 1080p hasn't been hard on graphics cards for a LONG time and by your logic a 480gtx isn't sub par.

This is OCN, I'll spell that out for you... Over Clock Dot Net, when you say high end here, you actually mean it. I didn't originally intend to offend your sensibilities or your rig, the fact remains the 660Ti is sub par when you are talking "high end" its BELOW the average of high end. Period.
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Windows 7 Home Ubuntu 15.4 QNIX 2710 Catleap 2B 
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Ducky - Cherry MX Red 
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3570k DZ77GA - 70K GTX670-DC2-4GD5  MV-3V4G3D/US 
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I only play on a 21-22 inch monitor, so it's 1900 res everything I play is awesome for me anyway. I'm waiting for 7 and 8 series to release as I've read on OCN then once prices drop ill decide.
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