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You don't have a tactile feedback and a click feeling when you have pressed a button to let you know that it has registered. On yours, you just press down and hope it is registered.
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Might be a stupid question but what gets closes to the feel of an not mech keyboard for example an logitech illuminated I use now?

The closest common mx swtich to feel like a rubber dome (the one you have) would be blue or brown since you can feel the switch actuate. I currently use a blue switch since i type more than game most of the time (and you cant beat a blue when you have to code all day long) but when i game for a long period of time, my pinky tends to get tired.... Its really all personal preference but i know Im getting a red switch keyboard for my gaming rig (requires the least force to actuate) and only use my blue switch keyboard for working.
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post #13 of 28
Cherry MX Blue switches are the last type I would recommend for gaming. There are two types of mechanical switches: Linear and Tactile. Tactile switches have a "bump" you can feel roughly halfway down the keystroke. Think of it as a "click" feeling (press down, hit a small resistance point, feel a "click" as you pass through it and then back to "normal" resistance). Linear switches do not have a "bump" or "click." Instead, the force required to press down feels the same throughout the entire keystroke.

Linear switches such as the Cherry MX Black and Red are viewed as "gaming" switches because most gamers tend to bottom out keystrokes while playing so having a tactile bump isn't an advantage. Rather, the "smoother" keystroke is preferred for double-tapping. Blacks have a higher activation force (i.e. how hard is it to press down) than Red switches. Because of the lighter activation force (the lightest among the MX switches), some gamers consider Red switches the best for gaming as the light keystroke feels faster when double tapping (may or may not be true). Others like Black keys for the more "solid" feeling and less chance of an errant keystroke.

Tactile switches such as the Cherry MX Blue, Clear & Brown are viewed as typing switches The "bump" or "click" lets you know that the key stroke has been registered so you can let up and move on to the next key rather than fully depress each keystroke. The result is faster typing. Blue switches have an audible "click" as well as one you can feel = they are easily the loudest MX switch. Browns switches are really a hybrid of Blue and Black switches. There's a tactile bump, but it's very slight (I'm typing with Brown switches and I can barely notice the tactile bump), and the activation force is a little less than either Blue or Black keys. Some gamers like Brown switches the best because they are able to ride the tactile bump with practice and get faster double-tapping. Clear switches are the same as Brown except for a little higher activation force.

A couple of other things to keep in mind:
  • Not all mechanical keyboards use mechanical keys for ALL full-size keys. Things might have changed since I researched this last fall, but pretty sure the Corsair K60 & maybe K90 along with some other brands use rubber dome switches for some full-size keys along with mechanical. JMO, but if I'm buying a mechanical keyboard, I want all full-size keys mechanical.
  • Don't forget media controls (i.e. volume, mute, etc.). Most (at least when I looked), mechanical keyboards do not feature dedicated media keys. Quite a few had media controls via a "FN+other" combination keystroke, but that's not as good IMO. I use my volume/mute controls daily let alone when I game, and FN+other is tedious IMO. Last thing I want when gaming is to have to use both hands or look away as I search for the right combination to change volume. JMO - others are perfectly fine with FN+other or even no media controls.

I would definitely NOT get Cherry MX Blue switches for gaming. Great for typing - as long as you don't mind the noise (I would). Instead, I suggest you consider either Black, Red or Brown switches. Even before the G710+ was released, I decided upon Brown switches because I wanted a switch designed to be good (if not great) at both rather than more specialized for one or the other. I can't remember the site, but during my research there was a website which polled Cherry MX keyboard owners. Switches were rated 1-10 for gaming & typing with a composite (average of both) score as well. Brown switches had the highest overall (i.e. combined) rating. Individual rating were pretty close the leading gaming switch (Red followed closely by Black) and typing switch (Blue) as well. I wasn't able to test Cherry MX switches locally so I figured that as a "hybrid", Brown switches were a "safe", "middle of the road" choice. After almost four months, I have no regrets at all in terms of my choice. Still, which switch is "best" is a very personal choice and I strongly suggest you test out the various MX switches locally to the extent possible.

I definitely recommend Logitech G710+. I've been using one for almost four months and really like it. It has the dedicated media controls I wanted (volume scroll wheel is great), all full-size keys are mechanical (incl. numpad which I wanted) and even the few rubber dome keys (media playback/mute/backlighting levels/etc) have a nice sold feeling. It's not quiet, but not annoyingly loud either. One nice feature is that it comes with sound dampening rubber "O" rings already installed. Not sure if the Black or Red keys are quieter than the Browns, but I suspected with any MX switch I'd be ordering some "O" rings along with the keyboard. To be fair, I should point out that Logitech decided to switch the "labeling" on dual function keys (i.e. for the number "1" keycap, "1" is on top and "!" on the bottom, for "5", "5" is on top and "%" on the bottom) so that the default "label" lights up instead of the shift label. The reason has to do with the placement of the LED lights for the MX switches. Not a big deal for me (got used to it fairly fast), but others may find it annoying. Overall, I have very little to complain about the G710+ and would not hesitate to buy it again.

Along with the G710+, you might consider MaxKeyboards Night Hawk models (my 2nd choice) along with the Ducky Shine II. BTW - if you do decide on a Nighthawk, do a web search on discounts for it. There's forum I found which regularly puts a group of ten buyers together so that they can get a 10% (20%?) volume discount.

GL & hope this helps.
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post #14 of 28
I like the Cherry reds with Orings I use it for everything gaming and the little typing I do. I agree with goesto11 take a look at the Max Keyboards I have a X8 and love it
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post #15 of 28
I used to use a Filco with MX blues for gaming, and I didn't have any problems. I'm not a key masher though, and I wasn't playing any games that required quick double taps. One thing that did become a problem was typing while talking on Vent. People were always complaining about my clicky keys. rolleyes.gif I use a Ducky with MX reds now. I like it a lot and it's definitely very light on the fingers, though I still prefer my blues. If you're the type to accidentally bump into other keys, you may want to consider blacks since the red switches actuate with very little force.

Of the two keyboards I have, I prefer the build of my Filco over my Ducky. However, Ducky's have the option of backlighting. While looking at keyboards, keep in mind that anything with a glossy surface (like the Das keyboards) will attract fingerprints like a mofo. Also, if you use lots of macros and like the K90, Corsair will soon be releasing the K95 which will be fully mechanical, so you may want to hold off for that.
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So the corsair k95 wouldnt stack up with a Max Keyboard?
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So the corsair k95 wouldnt stack up with a Max Keyboard?

Not IMO
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post #18 of 28
Blues won't enhance you're gaming performance/experience per say but they won't negatively effect you either. The truth is in gaming you don't really need to feel the actuation of the keys as you're focusing more on the game itself than if you fully pushed the key in.

I'm using a keyboard with cherry MX blues and for gaming they work just as good as my old rubber dome. The benefits you get from having a stellar typing experience when not gaming far outweigh the cons in my opinion.
     
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post #19 of 28
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So the corsair k95 wouldnt stack up with a Max Keyboard?

Huh...I hadn't paid attention to new models since I just bought a mechanical board so didn't realize Corsair announced the K95.

Corsair really took criticism about its previous models partly using rubber dome switches for full-size keys seriously. Fully mechanical is big part of the product announcement. Hmm...the board also copies the volume wheel idea from the G710+. Actually, the two are quite similar to me overall. One has 18 dedicated gaming keys vs. one row of six with three banks for the other (set apart by a garish orange border :<) along with some minor differences in media key layouts. Only real difference is one uses Cherry MX Red switches and the other Brown. I must admit I am impressed by K95. If the K95 was released at the same time as the G710+, assuming the K95's "wrist pad" is removable, I'd have a fairly tough decision. Most likely still buy the G710+ for the MX Brown switches, but both used the same MX switches I'm not sure which I would get. Quite possible I end up with a K95 in that instance. Well done Corsair, very well done.

Anyway, in regards to your question, as someone who actually was once on a back-order list to buy a Nighthawk X8, I'd definitely get the K95 over the Nighthawk X9 (MX Red switches) without question. Nothing against the Nighthawk or MaxKeyboards, but the dedicated media controls of the K95 not to mention dedicated macro keys make it an easy decision for me. If someone wants MX Red switches, I think it's tough to beat the K95.
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post #20 of 28
I think it i s mostly subjective.

I personally did not like blues for gaming, because the more pronounced tactile bump became annoying when using WASD for movement and such. It is not really an issue in the sense that it will affect performance, but I just did not like how it felt.

To me, the blacks were to hard to use. Again, it was not a huge issue, but I was constantly aware of how hard it was to use the keys and how much force they required. A long day of using the keyboard for work and gaming put more strain on my hands than I had ever felt using a peripheral, which is why I decided to get rid of it.

Reds are my preferred key for most genre of games. The linearity and low force necessary to press the keys make them feel very " immediate" and responsive. I say most genres, because there are some genres where people may prefer to get more of a feedback from the key when it is used, and are worried about accidental keypresses (RTS for example), which are more prone to happen on the ultra-light linear reds. This is also the reason I dont love them for typing. Typing feels nice and smooth and superlight, which is good in my opinion, but for me, accidental keypresses remain an issue. I also find it almost impossible not to bottom out on them.

Browns are my overall favourite, because they are sort of a middle ground making me like them for all genre of games and, most of all, for typing. There is the small tactile bump but it is not pronounced enough to ever be annoying to me while gaming, while still making them satisfying to use.

These are my personal findings, I should note that the blues I have only used, I never actually owned a keyboad with blue switches, so my experience with it is much more limited than with the others. The red switches I used in the Corsair K90 that I bought at release. The browns in the Filco Majestouch 1 and 2, and the blacks in the steelseries 6gv2. The blacks are the only ones that i can honestly say I just did not like. But again, that is preference.

@Goesto11, they wristpad for the k90 was removable, and I assume it will be again for the K95. I also think the wristpad for the K90 is fairly useless. Given the shape and angle of the keys it seems to be way to low to actually use for most people.Though things may vary for someone's particular anatomy and typing habits.
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