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Im thinking of upgrading my rig within the next few months to get more speed when using after effects.
Plus if I get a new motherboard with 4 dimm slots, I can upgrade to 32GB ram.


This is what im thinking so far but any suggestions would be appreciated.

1. New motherboard and one of these three cpus, since they have similar prices:
FX8320
i5 3570K
used i7 2600K


2. Keep using my board for now to save some cash, and get an FX8300 or FX8120.
This is where I'm confused. Asus lists the FX8120 as 95w but AMD says its 125w
http://www.asus.com/Motherboard/M5A78LM_LX3/#support_CPU
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/processors/amdfx/pages/amdfx-model-number-comparison.aspx


3. Get a very fast HDD for after effects disk cache. An SSD would be nice but im not sure how long it would last under constant
read/write/erase as a disk cache.


What are your thoughts guys?
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You really need a new motherboard. Your options to upgrade on AMD are very limited, because your board can only support 95W TDP processors, and there really aren't any that will outperform your FX-6100 by a whole lot. The best option would probably be an FX-6300, which would be 10-15 percent faster due to the improvements in Piledriver. Honestly, you're lucky you haven't fried that board running a 6100 at 4 GHz on it, because you have to be pulling 125W at that speed.

I think I would replace the motherboard first, then get an 8350. And forget about the 32 GB of RAM, that's serious overkill unless you're doing some kind of very specialized graphics or video work.
     
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So the FX6300 is that much faster, but is it worth the money considering a few more I could just get the 8 core?
Im leaning towards the 8 core chips since more cores = better for rendering.


I did put some heatsinks on my mosfets to prevent from overheating.
But I wont push my FX6100 above 4ghz for extended periods, I know my board is not up to it.

One of my recent projects used up to 12GB of ram so Im wary my 16GB wont be enough for much longer.
I want to at least be able to play a game while adobe renders in the background, so I dont have to wait around all day.


I was looking at OEM workstations for adobe, they all seem to have 10k rpm HDD for cache disks, so was wondering if it would be a good idea
to use an SSD instead since it should be considerably faster.
I have no idea how SSD works so it might be bad because the cache disk will be under continuous read/write when editing a video project.
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So the FX6300 is that much faster, but is it worth the money considering a few more I could just get the 8 core?
Im leaning towards the 8 core chips since more cores = better for rendering.


I did put some heatsinks on my mosfets to prevent from overheating.
But I wont push my FX6100 above 4ghz for extended periods, I know my board is not up to it.

One of my recent projects used up to 12GB of ram so Im wary my 16GB wont be enough for much longer.
I want to at least be able to play a game while adobe renders in the background, so I dont have to wait around all day.


I was looking at OEM workstations for adobe, they all seem to have 10k rpm HDD for cache disks, so was wondering if it would be a good idea
to use an SSD instead since it should be considerably faster.
I have no idea how SSD works so it might be bad because the cache disk will be under continuous read/write when editing a video project.

SSDs have a limited number of read/write cycles before they can no longer be written to. Typically SSD's designed for a lot of I/O are much beefier and much more expensive than a consumer grade SSD. Then again, you could just get a new SSD every 1.5-2 years and treat them as disposable tongue.gif.

If you look closely there is an ebay merchant who sells "white label" 10k rpm sata drives. WD is the only company I know of that makes them so I'm pretty sure they are raptors. They are cheap for what they are (a hundred bucks instead of 180 for a raptor). A pair of them in Raid 0, or a trio in Raid 5, should net write speeds of 200+ mb/sec under ideal conditions, and peak writes of more like 250 mb/sec. The thing is I hate recommending the integrated raid provided with your average consumer motherboard. I just do not like software RAID, but it's still faster than single disks. All I can say is if you go RAID on AMD, don't go Asrock. You can't get to the raid inside the UEFI portion of the bios.


I would say an FX 8350 (still cheaper than the 3570K) with a 990FX chipset based board with 3 or 4 rotating disks would be ideal for your setup. The extra 20 bucks for the higher binned chip will give you a guaranteed 4Ghz workhorse that should easily reach 4.4-4.5ghz. Putting the extra money from an i5 towards more hard disk will probably help more than anything else you can do. Newegg has some very nice Seagate 1TB drives with 64mb of cache on sale for 70-80 bucks right now too, if you decide to go the larger disk route. Write performance will actually be equal or faster to a 10k rpm disk with smaller platters, but access time is higher. It's a tradeoff which is more important to you.
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Well, if you're doing rendering jobs that take up 12 gigs of RAM, then getting 32 gigs might be a good idea, just to be better safe than sorry. And you definitely need the 8350 if those are the kinds of workloads you're doing. That sort of work can use every CPU core you can throw at it.

If I were going to add an SSD to a system like that, I think I'd do what SavantStrike suggested and just replace them on a regular cycle. I don't know if an enterprise-class SSD makes any sense, because it's going to be obsolete by the time an ordinary SSD would be likely to fail you. SSD technology is moving pretty quickly; I wouldn't invest a big chunk of money in something that won't be anything special in 18 months' time.
     
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Im gonna get the motherboard first and more ram. These are what's available in my local store, the asus is my first choice since its cheaper.
They all support FX8350 and 32gb ram but I need your advice on the pros and cons between them.

$106 Asus M5A97 http://www.asus.com/Motherboard/M5A97/

$150 Gigabyte GA-990FXA-D3 http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3900#



The asrock boards are even cheaper but im wary about asrock since Ive had bad experience with an asrock on my Intel G550.
The onboard audio is problematic, sometimes when I turn on the rig, it has no sound even with updated drivers so I have to restart again.
Sound also disappears when I put a headphone on, remove it then go back to speaker.
You see how bad that is for an HTPC lol

SavantStrike is also warning about the crappy RAID support on asrock.


$101 Asrock 970 Extreme 3 http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?model=970%20extreme3

$114 Asrock 970 Extreme 4 http://asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=970%20Extreme4

$141 Asrock 990FX Extreme 3 http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=990FX%20Extreme3
Edited by edalbkrad - 2/11/13 at 12:00pm
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