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Hello,

I learned basic win7 edition couldn't run win XP mode frown.gif

I am then trying to install win XP 64bits as a guest OS with VMware.

I got the message that my CPU does not support 64 bits system (Virtualization was disabled).

I enabled it in the BIOS and I got a loop of boot failure. I had to reset CMOS and enable virtualization in BIOS to boot.

Then I tried again to install the OS and I got the same message that the CPU does not support 64 bits OS...

Question:
#1 Why is enabling virtualization made my CPU go bad (4.2GHz with HT was running perfectly fine).

#2 Did I forget to enable something to allow me installing 64bits guest OS on the computer?

Kind regards,
JAN
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post #2 of 10
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Was able to install 32bits XP.

I tried to boot with saved 4.2GHz profile and failed (without virtualization).

Has my CPU degraded? headscratch.gif
Unlikely 8-8-8 on ram refused booting and 9-9-9 did the trick. I have a lot of problem with my rams. The ECO from g.skill had difficult too.

I will investigate herm.

I would still like to know how to install 64bits guest OS with this CPU.

Edit: I fracking love VMware. Wow... Magic... tongue.gif
Edited by Just a nickname - 2/3/13 at 4:10pm
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post #3 of 10
Have you got all the VTx enabled in bios also?
I agree VM Ware player is probably the best but you could try Virtualbox as that's pretty good also to rule out software issues.

Why do you want to run 64-bit XP though? It was a completely different operating system to XP 32-bit, basically windows server 2005 with an XP skin on top. Was about as much use as a chocolate tea pot for regular use I found!
 
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Oh, and is your host operating system 64-bit? If not then that's your issue
 
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post #5 of 10
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Yes, host operating 64-bit.

Do you know by chance where is that VTx option for my board? Or its name for Gigabyte motherboards?

With VMware, the guest OS can only use 4 cores (8 virtual I have with HT), do you think it is worth to overclock maybe by 200-300 more MHz. With HT off, the cpu will need less voltage to run so if the HT is not needed...

Do you think the virtual PC uses less resources than VMware?

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Don't have a gigabyte board so can't check but VTx is an Intel name so it should be called just that in your advanced CPU settings somewhere- see (http://ark.intel.com/products/52214/Intel-Core-i7-2600K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-3_80-GHz) for all its capabilities.

However, it shouldn't be any difference for 32 vs 64 bit guest operating systems, its just how it handles the hardware virtualisation instructions

Could be memory instability, try running memtest with HT and VTx on and see if you get any errors. What is your memory speed at your timings?
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Do you think the virtual PC uses less resources than VMware?

not sure I follow, VMware IS the virtual PC.
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do you think it is worth to overclock maybe by 200-300 more MHz.

I wouldn't bother. Having hardware support (VTx) enabled will make much more difference (assuming it isn't already on). Easiest way to tell if its enabled is to tell VMWare to use it and if it fails then it probably doesn't!

could you post some screen shots or more information on the errors? Also, try installing or running a 64-bit ubuntu live cd (http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop make sure to select the 64-bit version!) on a VM and see if that works as that should help us find out if its the guest OS thats being funny or if it is indeed a hardware problem
 
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post #7 of 10
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Let me first thank you for your answer.

For what I need 32bit will be fine finally.

I was wondering if there was any advantage to go the "regular" virtual PC route (with virtualization). Vware allows you to have a virtual PC without virtualization...

I also think it was the memory... My memory behave weirdly on this board. Tried two set of sticks and I used to have no problem with my LGA1156 board now it seems the board is capricious on the voltage used. 1,35v is stable but it won't boot sometimes the mobo will "fail to boot" and it seems it is due to their BIOS version as I was looking if anybody had the same issue. Should be fixed soon, I hope.


By reading again your post, let me put this in order.

My current UC use is about 70% on 8 threads at 4.2GHz WITHOUT virtualization and VTx or what ever it is (I will check that out) with two VMware working at the same time (and running the program I want them to run).

Is enabling VTx and virtualization (what's the difference between these two?) going to reduce my UC?
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Just realised that you've been referring to V-Ware not VM-Ware as I thought you had.. do you actually mean V Ware as I've never heard of that program if so. I had assumed you were running VMWare Player

Any computer can emulate hardware such as console emulators and so forth - these are purely software solutions and can run on any PC hardware. Because the emulator interprets the system/API calls of the emulated software and translates them into x86 processor instructions and back again, the process is very inefficient compared to the true hardware solution but with modern hardware many times more powerful than the original hardware, it usually works fine.

Virtualization is very similar to emulation except that that as the host and guest processors tend to be the same, some of the instructions can be passed directly to the processor without having to be translated as an emulator would. This can greatly increase the performance of a virtualised machine and I believe is what the VTx instruction set is used for in modern Intel processors. If your processor doesn't have the VTx instruction set available then the virtual machine software can emulate these but it will be slower than direct processor calls.

What do you mean by UC? CPU usage? If so, then yes, if you don't currently have VTx enabled, enabling it should improve performance but running a virtual machine still requires a lot of resources so 79% CPU usage to run 2x guest OSs and the host OS is about what I'd expect.

On my P9X79 motherboard for my i7 it calls the VTd features 'Virtulaization' and the VTx features just 'VTx' so I have them both enabled if I want to run a virtual machine. I think VTd is only present in i7s and XEONs though.

I know I've probably not answered your question very well, but the above info pretty much sums up my understanding of virtualised PCs so hope it is of some use!

further reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtualization
https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Virtualization

As I assumed you were using VMWare Player (http://www.vmware.com/uk/products/desktop_virtualization/player/overview.html) another alternative is VirtualBox (https://www.virtualbox.org/). Both offer similar performance but Players unity features work very well I find.
 
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Sorry I meant VMware, last post there is a M missing wink.gif

VTd is only dispobile with i7-3930k & X processors (3960x, 3970x and Xeon line).
VTx is available with nearly any intel CPU (i3, i5 and i7) http://ark.intel.com/Products/VirtualizationTechnology

I don`t know what is the purpose of VTd tho.

I just enabled virtualization and UC (CPU usage) is still the same... around 60-70%.

VMware says that virtualization allows better efficiency but enabling it didn`t result in a lower UC sadly.
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Sorry I meant VMware, last post there is a M missing

And your forum post title- that's what threw me a bit!
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VTd is only dispobile with i7-3930k & X processors (3960x, 3970x and Xeon line).

And the i7-3820 as mine has it!
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I don`t know what is the purpose of VTd tho.

Its directed I/O for virtualised machines. This allows the VM to access USB, SATA, Network, GPU etc directly without a performance penalty
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VMware says that virtualization allows better efficiency but enabling it didn`t result in a lower UC sadly.

Perhaps it is talking about the VTd instructions? Thanks for clarifying UC - its probably a common term but not come across it before.... uC to me means micro (u) controller (C)!

have a read of this... http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1675870

sound familiar? Did you try running the 64-bit OS after enabling VTx?
 
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