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Here is the card I am now looking at http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-xfx-radeon-hd-7850-dd-core-edition-with-ghost-thermal-4800mhz-gddr5-28nm-gpu-860mhz-1024-cores-p

In regards to VRAM, I am not a big player of Crysis, it's a "when I feel like it" type of game. So most of my gaming will be ARMA 2, Battlefield 3 and Assassins Creed. They are the games I am most likely to play frequently, the others are now and again. If any new games come out I take a fancy to also, so I am hoping to have this card to game at 1080P for 2-3 years+

I am thinking about selling the HD 6850 and my old faulty HD 5830 I have lying around to get some money, and then selling the bundled games. Apparently you get Tomb Raider and Bioshock Infinite free which I probably won't play. So that may bring it down to £120/£110 depending on how much I get.

Unless they are going to considerably drop in price by time 8000 series come out?
Edited by mikeo01 - 2/4/13 at 1:12pm
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Here is the card I am now looking at http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-xfx-radeon-hd-7850-dd-core-edition-with-ghost-thermal-4800mhz-gddr5-28nm-gpu-860mhz-1024-cores-p

In regards to VRAM, I am not a big player of Crysis, it's a "when I feel like it" type of game. So most of my gaming will be ARMA 2, Battlefield 3 and Assassins Creed. They are the games I am most likely to play frequently, the others are now and again. If any new games come out I take a fancy to also, so I am hoping to have this card to game at 1080P for 2-3 years+

I am thinking about selling the HD 6850 and my old faulty HD 5830 I have lying around to get some money, and then selling the bundled games. Apparently you get Tomb Raider and Bioshock Infinite free which I probably won't play. So that may bring it down to £120/£110 depending on how much I get.

Unless they are going to considerably drop in price by time 8000 series come out?

DONT get the xfx card. that cooler will hurt your ears. go for asus, gigabyte, sapphire. but not the xfx
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Thanks for the heads up! I assumed dual fans and XFX would be quiet, also with noise people have been saying temperature may be a problem.

A couple of pounds cheaper is the MSI, because they're MSI I assumed they're not too decent that's why I didn't mention it. It has high pre-overclocked configuration, would this be a nice option?

Quite a nice looking card too.

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1gb-msi-radeon-hd-7850-oc-4800mhz-gddr5-gpu-900mhz-1024-cores-dvi-hdmi-2x-mini-dp-pluscrossfire-offe
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If I were you, I'd go for a 2GB card instead. More futureproof and there are already games on the market that demand more than 1 GB of VRAM if you're running at 1920x1080 or above.
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OP if you plan on selling the games you could easily get £25 - £30 for each game. so with £50 - £60 back from selling the games and £70 from selling the HD 6850 you would just need to spend £50 - £60 out of your pocket for the Sapphire HD 7870 XT. the Tahiti LE is atleast 30% faster than HD 7850. its very good perf and value to ignore. also 1GB is not advisable when buying today. with next gen consoles due this year end games will push their VRAM budget up. even direct console ports will use more than 1 GB at 1080p. think about it and decide.

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post #16 of 37
OP - DO NOT bother upgrading your card right now. Stick it out until the next generation.

Your GPU is not particularly strong anymore, but that is irrelevant, because neither is your platform.

Save your money ... save save save ... and upgrade your whole rig later this year, once Haswell and the next generation of CPU's are out. Lower the settings @ 1080p for now, and if you are really struggling in games, then lower the resolution to a non-native level. Sure, it's not optimal, but you will be so frustrated when you realize in a matter of 6 months that you bought "new" hardware at the end of its life-cycle, only to realize that your other hardware is holding you back.

The only exception to this point I can see is if you manage to find a TRULY awesome deal on a lower mid-range card. If you can find an open box or used 2gb 7850 for an absolute bargain price, then jump on it and sell your 6850 to make the bump basically irrelevant.

Do NOT go out and spend money on a brand-new GPU upgrade. It's just not worth it with your situation. Ride out to the end of the year, and then get a big upgrade together that is a significant jump.

Also ... all 6850's will get at least 100mhz increase on the core and 150mhz increase on the memory for a free performance bump. I got 200mhz and 250mhz respectively on my old GPU, and those extra clocks made it significantly faster.

TL:DR - overclock your 6850, and do a good job of it. If that is not enough, then look for a REALLY cheap (2nd hand/Open-box) 2gb HD7850. These are the best, budget and hardware appropriate choices for you.
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post #17 of 37
the OP has a Phenom II X6 running at 4 Ghz . thats not going to hold back even a HD 7950 / HD 7970.
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post #18 of 37
Bottlenecks are tenuous things. Whilst it won't "hold back" a high end GPU, it won't get as high a frame rates in most games these days compared to a balanced build as a benchmark, and in games that a even relatively CPU intensive, the rig will be under-performing compared to the card's possibility. That's just a fact now, and this late in the current CPU/GPU generation, it is unwise to invest in an unbalanced rig with plans to balance it in future.

I went from an x6 @ 4ghz with a 2gb 6950 clocked higher than 6970 to an i5 2500k and the difference was very apparent in many, many games, even at stock. Once I had it at 4.5ghz, there was no comparison.

The point is ... the OP would be wiser to save money towards a larger upgrade, and to catch a really good deal on a very cheap or 2nd hand 2gb 7850 or equivalent IF overclocking the current 6850 does not suffice:

a) it will run on EXACTLY the hardware the OP has now - no need for additional PCIe cables, larger psu's or anything, just swap and change.
b) it will be the highest GPU to remain balanced with his systems ability. Anything higher, whilst potentially getting a few extra frames, would be wasted on the platform, which IS going to hold it back, and given that fact, and that these cards are nearly EOL, a large investment at this stage in the game, with the OP's current rig, is an over-investment.

My point remains entirely contextually valid. There is no point leading people down the garden path of contextually-silly upgrades. This is not the time to double down on a higher end GPU. The OP's philosophy right now should be stretch the current rig as far as possible for as little investment as possible until a full upgrade.
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post #19 of 37
Most games are GPU limited at their max settings. the HD 7870 Tahiti LE has specs identical to the upcoming HD 8850.

http://videocardz.com/34981/amd-radeon-hd-8870-and-hd-8850-specifiation-leaked

The fact that you are getting it now counts for some value. actually the next gen cards don't seem to be anywhere around the corner. the earliest launch possible seems to be early Q2 with some rumours pushing it to late Q2 (Computex) or even Q3.

Frankly a card which performs at stock speeds like a HD 7950 at 800 mhz and when overclocked to 1.2 ghz like a HD 7970(925 mhz) for just £180 is outstanding value. nothing more to be said. throw in 2 free AAA games and its a no brainer.
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Fair enough Raghu - you pose a strong argument ... except for the "GPU limited" equation, because it doesn't account for the differences seen in "GPU limited" games between platforms. There are very few "GPU-limited" games that are real-world identical in performance min/avg/max frames on a PhII rig and a comparable Sandy/Ivy rig, and this will only increase in prominence in future. It's up to the OP to decide what their current and prospective budgets look like and how much they're willing to offset budget with performance.
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