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I can see it functioning well in X86 android phones...I don't understand why there's such a thing if it doesn't even run desktop Windows 8. (Xolo Lava, I'm talkin to you!)
I still fail to see the point of such cut down Os'es really.
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I can see it functioning well in X86 android phones...I don't understand why there's such a thing if it doesn't even run desktop Windows 8. (Xolo Lava, I'm talkin to you!)
I still fail to see the point of such cut down Os'es really.

So the cut down hardware doesn't drain the cut down energy source in 15 seconds.
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So the cut down hardware doesn't drain the cut down energy source in 15 seconds.

I know, I know...just improve battery tech already and gimme handheld pcs that can game or run regular x86 programs. thumb.gif
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Wow, I really didn't expect this. One thing is for sure; With all of the cross-platform compatibility coming around these days, Windows better tread lightly and make good decisions because it's going to be real easy for people to jump ship in droves if they ever gave everyone a reason to.


No its not. Maybe Wine is better than it was in 2009 I do not know. But I went through the wine list back then and looked at a lot of the programs and games rated "gold" and "silver" tested on Wine. I could hardly get the stupid thing to work properly with those programs.


Now that was on linux, which might be a different OS but at least its built on the same microprocessor architecture.

We're talking about cross platform compatibility for OS and CPU architecture. HAH good luck android.. Im dropping your butt in June and I have half a mind to pay an ETF and dump you now.

Not sure what your trouble was (btw, Gold means you have to have some extra things installed, silver doesn't mean it runs well...Just that it runs and is semi-usable) as I've merely had to use winetricks to install gecko/firefox, some of the DX binaries and a few other small things you end up installing in Windows anyway for most Gold and Platinum things to work perfectly with only a few requiring configuration.

Also, for something that "doesn't work" it's sure weird to have most Mac ports done today simply being the Windows game with Wine bundled in, eh?
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No its not. Maybe Wine is better than it was in 2009 I do not know. But I went through the wine list back then and looked at a lot of the programs and games rated "gold" and "silver" tested on Wine. I could hardly get the stupid thing to work properly with those programs.


Now that was on linux, which might be a different OS but at least its built on the same microprocessor architecture.

We're talking about cross platform compatibility for OS and CPU architecture. HAH good luck android.. Im dropping your butt in June and I have half a mind to pay an ETF and dump you now.

2009? Really? Do you know how long ago that was? More so in computer/electronic time?

I haven't had an issue with Wine in years. Though I do test a lot of programs/games purely for the database, so I know my way around it. But it still isn't hard to get to work in the slightest.

Even as far back as 2009 a lot of games like The Sims 3, WoW, Eve Online, etc were literally install it like Windows and you're done.
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too bad wine can't run code across the uarch. This is going to be aimed at windows arm programs, if this happens to do well windows for ARM might simply not exist nearly as well as it could have. If I were balmer I'd find ways to make sure this can't happen. However I don't think that will work as the wine devs are now very versed in making windows applications run.

Don't think this means x86 code will run on Android, that is a LOT harder to do if android is built for arm. However, they do have x86 versions of android out and that would defiantly benefit from this. This might also be tweaked and run windows phone apps, hopefully that happens. If that is so, an android user can benefit from both windows phone and windows tablet applications while still getting all the android ups. Win win?

I believe it's aiming at some form of x86 emulation but also enabling Windows ARM programs to work on Android.
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But will it run Crysis???

But will this idiotic comment finally stop getting repeated???

I want nVidia or AMD to release a monster GPU that gets 120fps in Crysis in all scenarios, just so they can market as "Yes, it does max Crysis out. Now shut the hell up because that joke wasn't funny in 2009 and beating a pile of bonemeal that used to be a dead horse isn't going to make it any funnier."

Then again, I'm not good at catchy slogans.
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But will this idiotic comment finally stop getting repeated???


When everything can run crysis.

I ran Crysis on an Athlon XP @ 2Ghz and a 6800GS, it wasn't maxed out (Obviously) but I'm pretty sure a potato could run it at this point.
What? You mean maxed out? Then why isn't it "But can it max out Crysis?"
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So the cut down hardware doesn't drain the cut down energy source in 15 seconds.

I know, I know...just improve battery tech already and gimme handheld pcs that can game or run regular x86 programs. thumb.gif

While we're at it, make a cure for death and another Tool album.
I wish it was that easy.
    
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ubuntu phone seems to run a proper desktop copy of ubuntu, therefore all the apps including wine will be available.
As for CPU's, phones such as the S3 and the HTC OneX have pretty decent CPU's, 1.5ghz NVidia Quad Core on the OneX, but not sure how they'll hold up running windows applications.
But the windows apps arent optimized for touch, so if we can install something like iTunes or Adobe suite it probably wouldnt be a good experience.
   
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ubuntu phone seems to run a proper desktop copy of ubuntu, therefore all the apps including wine will be available.
As for CPU's, phones such as the S3 and the HTC OneX have pretty decent CPU's, 1.5ghz NVidia Quad Core on the OneX, but not sure how they'll hold up running windows applications.
But the windows apps arent optimized for touch, so if we can install something like iTunes or Adobe suite it probably wouldnt be a good experience.

Correction. All Ubuntu apps capable of running on ARM will be available.
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Correction. All Ubuntu apps capable of running on ARM will be available.

Or anything open source that can be recompiled.
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Correction. All Ubuntu apps capable of running on ARM will be available.

Or anything open source that can be recompiled.

If it were that simple, there would be no effort or significance at all in making WINE work on ARM. Android runs on a linux kernel after all and can even run Linux side by side with Android (not to mention some distros like OpenSUSE putting a lot of time and effort into getting an ARM build working). If all anything ever needed was a recompile, this thread wouldn't exist.
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Wow, I really didn't expect this. One thing is for sure; With all of the cross-platform compatibility coming around these days, Windows better tread lightly and make good decisions because it's going to be real easy for people to jump ship in droves if they ever gave everyone a reason to.

You are absolutely right. With cross platform one does has to keep on purchasing new smartphones/tabs (just because of apps compatibility).
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If it were that simple, there would be no effort or significance at all in making WINE work on ARM. Android runs on a linux kernel after all and can even run Linux side by side with Android (not to mention some distros like OpenSUSE putting a lot of time and effort into getting an ARM build working). If all anything ever needed was a recompile, this thread wouldn't exist.

For most code it is just a re-compile. When you get into code that has to talk directly to the hardware, it gets different. Those programs are designed for x86 in mind. Wine has to have direct access to a few things, audio and video to name some. I'm sure out of those two I listed, one will have a different interface coming from x86 to ARM. If those changes break wine, then no it's not as simple as a re-compile. However many programs won't do that, especially those that don't require hardware access. Generally unless a program has specifics, their isn't a reason why it shouldn't compile.

Maybe arm does memory management different and programs are written without that in mind, might break a program. I could go on and on about the reasons but don't make that seem that everything follows those examples. Many, many programs will simply compile cross arch. OpenSUSE might have wanted to put some ARM specifics in their desktop to get more out of it. Who knows, less you develop for them. =P

[edit] And I'll say it again since I'm posting. WINE DOES NOT EMULATE. If it's on arm, it'll run windows programs designed for ARM. Their is no uarch code, it simply takes software calls and turns them into something the current platform can understand. The code is still x86/arm so it has to run on an x86/arm platform. Don't get the idea that this is that big, that would take a lot more effort.

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I believe it's aiming at some form of x86 emulation but also enabling Windows ARM programs to work on Android.

NO NO NO
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Windows apps are mostly compiled for x86 and they won't run on ARM with bare Wine, likewise ARM applications won't run on x86(_64) with bare Wine, so this is not our motivation. The original Motivation was to be able to run winelib-apps on ARM, that even was before it got public that win8 will run on ARM devices. Meanwhile we are in progress to support these new ARM PEs for win8! Possible other goals, but they need some more brainstorming:

From:
http://wiki.winehq.org/ARM

They don't emulate, as well as the whole goal is to be done in userspace. I'm certain if they did emulation with the expectation to be on those types of devices they would have to branch out of userspace. I know you can do userspace drivers, it's just not what the kernel currently does and so I doubt that would happen. Plus all of this is huge dev time, huge. They still want to focus on DX10/11 eventually, not emulating x86 on ARM.

Not that they don't have those goals written down, x86 on PowerPC was tried but ditched (also on the wiki). However, I wouldn't expect anything good to run. Or I wouldn't expect those goals to come to fruit anytime soon. You'll seen Wine for ARM run only ARM aps, if it gets emulation it'll be later and we will probably all hear about it as a separate announcement.
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