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Okay guys, once again, I really appreciate the feedback, + rep to you all!

If I got a 2 gig 660ti right now and got a three gig later for sli, would I basically just have 3 gigs then? I know it isn't additive. Would I have to have two 3 gig cards or would one be enough? I know they would both have to be 660ti's in order to sli them, but would they have to have the same amount of vram?

No, SLI works like RAID 1, your actual vram capacity will be based on whichever single card has the least vram, not the most.

If you think you might SLi later, the 3GB 660ti is a great choice. For a single card, at the current level of power, there's really almost never any benefit to >2GB vram at ANY resolution ... that's true even with the 7970/680, let alone the 660ti.

This is because a single one of these current cards lack the GPU grunt to really make use of >2GB. IOW by the time you get up and over 2GB of vram usage, to the point where vram might become an issue ... the complexity of the image is such that the card is struggling anyway, due to it's core not having enough power to push that many pixels.

The one exception to this is if you're going to mod a game (Skyrim is a good example) with uber high-res textures ... in this case, because high-res textures don't really tax anything (other using more vram), a single 3 or 4GB card might out-perform a single, equivalent 2GB card. But otherwise, like 99.9% of the time, the 2GB cards will perform just the same as their 3 or 4GB counterparts.

In SLI, however, the equation changes, because you double your core power, but memory cap remains the same as with one card.

Also, IMHO, there's a number of other advantages to going with nV over AMD besides just the availability of physX. But since it sounds like you've decided on the nV route, I won't bother listing them out (for like my 100th time on these boards wink.gif)
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Wow thanks for the informative post! I am sure many of the questions I have asked could have been found in other threads on here, so I apologize for that, and thank you for that clarification! I know that Nvidia will likely release new gpu's this summer so I don't want to get something that will be outdated thaaat soon. But SLI seems like a good way to somewhat counteract that.

I would like to see what other advantages there are with Nvidia over ATI, if you could post a link to one of those posts you've referenced haha. If nothing else, it will make me feel better about my decision blushsmiley.gif
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NVidia drivers are better and allows more customization for applications.
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Also, in my opinion, I would take the reference 670 over the 660ti. Also, here is a review on the 4gb vs 2gb question in regards to the 670 in sli. The conclusion was that the 670s do not have the gpu power in sli to utilize 4gb of ram. In light of this, I would recommend the reference 670 2gb version and sli it down the road when you feel more performance is needed.

"We've given the ASUS GeForce GTX 670 DirectCU II 4GB video cards plenty of opportunities to prove to us why we would need 4GB of VRAM on these. Unfortunately, these have come short of proving this. We tried pushing a single ASUS GTX 670 4GB to the max on a 30" display, at more than playable settings, and also at 1080p. We saw no advantages with a single card. Then we put two together in SLI and tried to push them to the max at 5760x1200. What we found was that higher settings were possible to enable, but the performance wasn't there to allow them to be playable. Simply, the performance of GTX 670 isn't enough to utilize the capacity of 4GB of VRAM."

"To make the 4GB of VRAM on the GTX 670 work for you, you are going to need at least three of them for 3-way SLI, to give you the performance to back up the VRAM. "




http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/01/14/asus_geforce_gtx_670_directcu_ii_4gb_sli_review/9#.URLVv6XC2Qs

*I just wanted to add some of my reasons to go with the reference 670 over the 660ti. Due to the lack of voltage control on the cards, you are not going to get some crazy oc on the 660ti to utilize its cooler effectively. From what I have seen, most cards will do 1200mhz regardless if they have a reference style cooler or an upgraded cooler.

http://cdn.overclock.net/2/2f/2f589f7f_gtx670.png
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670 generally performs better than the 7950 in BF3 and Crysis, but it also depends if you are just gaming or if you're video rendering too. If you're video rendering get the 670 the cuda will give you a big advantage over an amd card. If you're just gaming and you see a good deal on a 7950 thats a great card too and is very overclockable. I also suggest you spend a little bit more money and get a ocz vertex 4 for your ssd. Faster than the samsung one and its only slightly more expensive. Also you can cut back on your motherboard I suggest you get an asrock extreme 4 cheaper and still very good. As far as reputation goes asrock make very high quality cheap boards the extreme 4 is very good value for money and it is packed with features.
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670 generally performs better than the 7950 in BF3 and Crysis, but it also depends if you are just gaming or if you're video rendering too. If you're video rendering get the 670 the cuda will give you a big advantage over an amd card. If you're just gaming and you see a good deal on a 7950 thats a great card too and is very overclockable. I also suggest you spend a little bit more money and get a ocz vertex 4 for your ssd. Faster than the samsung one and its only slightly more expensive. Also you can cut back on your motherboard I suggest you get an asrock extreme 4 cheaper and still very good. As far as reputation goes asrock make very high quality cheap boards the extreme 4 is very good value for money and it is packed with features.
I would never suggest getting an OCZ Vertex 4 over a Samsung 840 Pro, the 840 is a much better drive overall lasting longer, I think alot of people will agree with me there. Granted, I just personally dont trust OCZ to make anything really good, I have one of their PSU's, it buzzes whenever I start up minecraft...
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Speaking of SSD I really like my 240 GB Intel 520 Cherryville.
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I actually went with an OCZ vertex 4 simply because it was on sale for 99.99 on newegg today, soo its a done deal. Lets hope it ends up being a dependable drive!

Also, I ordered the Asrock Extreme6 because it was on sale for $139.99 so it only cost me five dollars more than the Extreme4. Anyway everything is ordered now except for the graphics card! I'm going to wait until my tax returns come in haha! biggrin.gif Still haven't entirely decided, hopefully one or the other will go on sale so I can justify one over the other! Money talks.

Thanks again for the feedback everyone. Again, plus rep to you all!
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I actually went with an OCZ vertex 4 simply because it was on sale for 99.99 on newegg today, soo its a done deal. Lets hope it ends up being a dependable drive!

Also, I ordered the Asrock Extreme6 because it was on sale for $139.99 so it only cost me five dollars more than the Extreme4. Anyway everything is ordered now except for the graphics card! I'm going to wait until my tax returns come in haha! biggrin.gif Still haven't entirely decided, hopefully one or the other will go on sale so I can justify one over the other! Money talks.

Thanks again for the feedback everyone. Again, plus rep to you all!

You should be good with the Vertex 4. I use a Vertex 3 as a boot drive and it's been great. I mean honestly unless you are going to be benching all the time there's not much of a difference with SSD speeds that is actually noticeable as long as you get a descent one. And sweet deal on the Extreme6!
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Nice deal on the vertex 4, you will love it they are so fast :]
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