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Those settings are pretty good.

What voltages do you have set in BIOS???
My DDR voltage are 1.68v with 10-10-10-30-40-2T. I can do 9-9-9-27-2T with 1.72v, but not worth it to me.
NB speed is 2600 with 1.45v and no that is not very high. AMD says 1.45v max on air/water.
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Have you tried adjusting the vrm settings for the cpu/nb and dram?

dram drive strength settings?

What about with NB set at 1.30V?

If VRM = Voltage then yes I have tried that.

What are dram drive strength settings?
I don't think my BIOS has settings for that.

And yes I have tried NB at 1.30 but it did not help stability.
(I tried NB 1.40v to get the system to POST but it didn't help either.)

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I use Prime95 27.1 version without any problems.
p95v271.zip 4339k .zip file

I'm using 27.9 build 1.

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My DDR voltage are 1.68v with 10-10-10-30-40-2T. I can do 9-9-9-27-2T with 1.72v, but not worth it to me.
NB speed is 2600 with 1.45v and no that is not very high. AMD says 1.45v max on air/water.

Where did they say that about 1.45v for the NB?
    
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If VRM = Voltage then yes I have tried that.

What are dram drive strength settings?
I don't think my BIOS has settings for that.

And yes I have tried NB at 1.30 but it did not help stability.
(I tried NB 1.40v to get the system to POST but it didn't help either.)
I'm using 27.9 build 1.
Where did they say that about 1.45v for the NB?

I mean tthe motherboard load line calibration settings for cpu/nb and dram.

On asus they are called "digi power". I don't know what the term asrock uses is.
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If VRM = Voltage then yes I have tried that.

What are dram drive strength settings?
I don't think my BIOS has settings for that.

And yes I have tried NB at 1.30 but it did not help stability.
(I tried NB 1.40v to get the system to POST but it didn't help either.)
I'm using 27.9 build 1.
Where did they say that about 1.45v for the NB?
AMD_FX_Performance_Tuning_Guide.pdf 1605k .pdf file
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I mean tthe motherboard load line calibration settings for cpu/nb and dram.

On asus they are called "digi power". I don't know what the term asrock uses is.

On my 1155 asrock board and my girlfriend's 2011 asrock board...they just call them LLC (load line calibration).
And that's only to compensate for CPU vdroop.
It won't help the NB or DRAM.

Also this mobo has no LLC settings sadly.

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AMD_FX_Performance_Tuning_Guide.pdf 1605k .pdf file

An interesting read:
"

Chipset voltage controls (5)
There are several voltage rails connected to the AMD 9-series chipset. The PCIe® bus, HyperTransport™ link and Chipset core all have separate voltage rails and controls. Boosting these voltage levels can result in improved performance tuning margin for these interfaces. For an example, boosting the HyperTransport™ link voltage by 0.1V can enable higher HT Link frequencies.

6) Adjust CPU NB VID voltage slider in AOD if there were any stability issues (in 0.050V steps – the AMD FX-8150 CPU may require 1.300…1.375V CPU NB Voltage to reach the full performance tuning potential on air/watercooling)

The optimal Tras and Trc timing parameter value is calculated as follows:

Tras = Tcl + Trcd + Trp
Example: Tras should be set to 21 in case of CL7-7-7 -settings

Trc = Tras + Tcl
Example: Trc should be set to 28 in case of CL7 + Tras = 21 -settings

NOTE: Setting Trc to a higher value may improve the margins – example: 42

Enabling 2T –timing mode can improve stability with 4GB or 8GB memory configurations (but will cause a slight performance hit).



"

Well...I don't have a HT Link voltage controls or PCIe bus voltage controls.
Probably because I have an older chipset.

My motherboard:
North Bridge AMD 770
South Bridge AMD SB710

Per wikipedia:
"
The AMD 700 chipset series (also called as AMD 7-Series Chipsets) is a set of chipsets designed by ATI for AMD Phenom processors to be sold under the AMD brand. Several members were launched in the end of 2007 and the first half of 2008, others launched throughout the rest of 2008.
"
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Might have already said this but the not posting with OC'd HT can be a very tricky thing and I don't think Voltage can fix it. The reason I say that is because you can get the HT up to that speed and stable in windows and prime but then when you reboot it doesn't post.
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Might have already said this but the not posting with OC'd HT can be a very tricky thing and I don't think Voltage can fix it. The reason I say that is because you can get the HT up to that speed and stable in windows and prime but then when you reboot it doesn't post.

HT = HT reference clock = FSB
Is that what you mean?
The highest I could get that was 228.
I have it stable on 222 now, however.
I've run 40 hours of memtest and 19 hours of OCCT large memory.
I declare it stable.

HT = HyperTransport Link multiplier
Or is this what you meant?
At 222 FSB I can get HT Link to go to 2220 (maybe higher?) but NB is stuck at 1998.
Higher NB speeds will not get past POST.
    
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I meant the Hyper Transport or the North Bridge now you got me confused I sold all my AMD gear except really old boards.

The one that as you increase it the memory performance on both the DRAM and CPU Cache go up without changing anything else.

It could go clear up to 2800-3000 on all my x2@x4 BEs and the Zosma's but only in Windows. The only board I could get to reliably post at high speeds was a cheap MSI Micro-ATX board that a VRM exploded into a flare on (took CPU with it). All my ASUS boards would randomly not post. Reset it a few times without killing the power to the board (safe mode) and it would eventually boot.

Drove me crazy.

To guarantee a boot into windows and use it at those speeds without having to use a FSB I did not want I would lower the FSB in the BIOS to something that would POST and then once in windows set my FSB back to what I wanted it to actually be.

Also I just thought about this but does anyone think it would be possible that the computer would be more likely to POST through an issue like that if it was being used in UEFI mode?
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Originally Posted by Cancer View Post

HT = HT reference clock = FSB
Is that what you mean?
The highest I could get that was 228.
I have it stable on 222 now, however.
I've run 40 hours of memtest and 19 hours of OCCT large memory.
I declare it stable.

HT = HyperTransport Link multiplier
Or is this what you meant?
At 222 FSB I can get HT Link to go to 2220 (maybe higher?) but NB is stuck at 1998.
Higher NB speeds will not get past POST.


HTT should ALWAYS be lower than CPU/NB,and you have to increase HTT voltage to go over 2000MHz HTT. 2000 MHz HTT is standard,so I would try that.

Looking at your manual,few things to note:

2.13 Untied Overclocking Technology
This motherboard supports Untied Overclocking Technology, which means during
overclocking, FSB enjoys better margin due to fi xed PCI / PCIE buses. Before you
enable Untied Overclocking function, please enter “Overclock Mode” option of BIOS
setup to set the selection from [Auto] to [Manual]. Therefore, CPU FSB is untied
during overclocking.
Turn Untied overclocking to manual,turn spread spectrum off.

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NB Frequency Multiplier
For safety and system stability, it is not recommended to adjust the value
of this item.
CPU NB Voltage
It allows you to adjust the value of CPU NB voltage. However, for safety
and system stability, it is not recommended to adjust the value of this item.
HT Bus Speed
This feature allows you selecting Hyper-Transport bus speed. The default
value is [Auto].

The AMD APM should be disabled. Did not see any HTT voltage adj,maybe it's the 1.4v in chipset settings?
Chipset Settings
NB Voltage
Use this to select NB Voltage. The default value is [Auto].
SB Voltage
Use this to select SB Voltage. The default value is [Auto].
+1.8V Power Voltage
Use this to select +1.8V Power Voltage. The default value is [Auto].
+1.4V Voltage
Use this to select +1.4V Voltage. The default value is [Auto].
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I meant the Hyper Transport or the North Bridge now you got me confused I sold all my AMD gear except really old boards.

The one that as you increase it the memory performance on both the DRAM and CPU Cache go up without changing anything else.

It could go clear up to 2800-3000 on all my x2@x4 BEs and the Zosma's but only in Windows. The only board I could get to reliably post at high speeds was a cheap MSI Micro-ATX board that a VRM exploded into a flare on (took CPU with it). All my ASUS boards would randomly not post. Reset it a few times without killing the power to the board (safe mode) and it would eventually boot.

Drove me crazy.

To guarantee a boot into windows and use it at those speeds without having to use a FSB I did not want I would lower the FSB in the BIOS to something that would POST and then once in windows set my FSB back to what I wanted it to actually be.

Also I just thought about this but does anyone think it would be possible that the computer would be more likely to POST through an issue like that if it was being used in UEFI mode?
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Originally Posted by dixson01974 View Post

AMD_FX_Performance_Tuning_Guide.pdf 1605k .pdf file

HyperTransport Link frequency will determine the available bandwidth between the CPU and the NorthBridge Chipset.
The CPU NorthBridge (CPU NB) clock speed determines the efficiency and bandwidth capacity of the Memory controller. L3 cache runs at this frequency as well.

Strangely the document doesn't say anything about NB clock speed...is NB clock speed the same as CPU-NB speed then?
And if so...what does the NB do then?

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Originally Posted by Redwoodz View Post

HTT should ALWAYS be lower than CPU/NB,and you have to increase HTT voltage to go over 2000MHz HTT. 2000 MHz HTT is standard,so I would try that.

Looking at your manual,few things to note:

2.13 Untied Overclocking Technology
This motherboard supports Untied Overclocking Technology, which means during
overclocking, FSB enjoys better margin due to fi xed PCI / PCIE buses. Before you
enable Untied Overclocking function, please enter “Overclock Mode” option of BIOS
setup to set the selection from [Auto] to [Manual]. Therefore, CPU FSB is untied
during overclocking.
Turn Untied overclocking to manual,turn spread spectrum off.

OC Tweaker
EZ Overclocking

NB Frequency Multiplier
For safety and system stability, it is not recommended to adjust the value
of this item.
CPU NB Voltage
It allows you to adjust the value of CPU NB voltage. However, for safety
and system stability, it is not recommended to adjust the value of this item.
HT Bus Speed
This feature allows you selecting Hyper-Transport bus speed. The default
value is [Auto].

The AMD APM should be disabled. Did not see any HTT voltage adj,maybe it's the 1.4v in chipset settings?
Chipset Settings
NB Voltage
Use this to select NB Voltage. The default value is [Auto].
SB Voltage
Use this to select SB Voltage. The default value is [Auto].
+1.8V Power Voltage
Use this to select +1.8V Power Voltage. The default value is [Auto].
+1.4V Voltage
Use this to select +1.4V Voltage. The default value is [Auto].

I've read that HT link speed should be the same as NB and in a perfect world....the same as DRAM speed as well.
Making my HT link speed faster than my DRAM is not an issue...the NB speed is.
I don't have a HT link voltage setting...unless as you said the 1.4 rail is for that.

AMD APM, spread spectrum, and turbo are all disabled.
"CPU Frequency" aka HT Reference clock aka FSB.....is set to 222.
PCIe frequency is 100mhz.
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