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Until this upcoming generation, when used games are no longer an option....

This isn't fact (at all) and would be horribly unfriendly towards the end user. It isn't going to happen, simple as that. Just like the Kinect 'charge per person' patent that was floating around.
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This isn't fact (at all) and would be horribly unfriendly towards the end user. It isn't going to happen, simple as that. Just like the Kinect 'charge per person' patent that was floating around.

You seem pretty confident... we will see. And the Kinect thing wasn't just floating around because someone made it up, Microsoft patented the technology. It doesn't mean it will be used, but it's not outside the realm of possibility now. Something I've learned when it comes to this stuff is to expect the worst.

And is it really that unbelievable? Think about it, PC games have been doing it increasingly for years. Serials get locked to accounts. One of the first big ones was WoW, particularly since selling accounts (where the serials are locked) is strickly forbidden in their ToS. Yes, it still happened (and probably still does), but if Blizzard caught wind of it, they swiftly dropped the ban hammer. Now we have Steam, and the countless other DRM game dispersal programs.

In the end I think, if it does indeed happen, you will see a whole lot more Steam-like game sales. Once games go over their peak popularity, prices should drop more quickly, since publishers will likely make more money this way.

Poor Gamestop will suffer though.
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You seem pretty confident... we will see. And the Kinect thing wasn't just floating around because someone made it up, Microsoft patented the technology. It doesn't mean it will be used, but it's not outside the realm of possibility now. Something I've learned when it comes to this stuff is to expect the worst.

Am I the only one who actually likes the Kinect idea? I'd just point it at a wall with a cutout of Rick Astley on it and bam...I'd only ever be charged for one person.biggrin.gif

but seriously...I think it is a little late to be doubting much of the changes being made to games and movies in the near future. There are just too many sources on it and Microsoft has already confirmed they would be selling game activation keys for used games (but it is up to the publisher if they will allow the second hand game sales)
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Am I the only one who actually likes the Kinect idea? I'd just point it at a wall with a cutout of Rick Astley on it and bam...I'd only ever be charged for one personn.biggrin.gif

but seriously...I think it is a little late to be doubting much of the changes being made to games and movies in the near future. There are just too many sources on it and Microsoft has already confirmed they would be selling game activation keys for used games (but it is up to the publisher if they will allow the second hand game sales)

Not me! If I watch a movie with my family, that's me, my wife, and our 3 little ones... redface.gif

As to the second part, that's kind of what I'm getting at. There will be growing pains, but in the end, it will all even out, it just means people get less back for their used games, and the publishers will get more out of it. Personally, I'm fine with that. Then again, I never resell games, the most I've ever done is give a few away.
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Not me! If I watch a movie with my family, that's me, my wife, and our 3 little ones... redface.gif

As to the second part, that's kind of what I'm getting at. There will be growing pains, but in the end, it will all even out, it just means people get less back for their used games, and the publishers will get more out of it. Personally, I'm fine with that. Then again, I never resell games, the most I've ever done is give a few away.

My wife and I have two kids as well, plus we have pretty close ties to a lot of our neighbors and often have a good dozen bodies in the room. I just figure this kinect thing would be really easy fool. Though if they actually go through with that I am sure that they will do something to make it more fool proof.
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You seem pretty confident... we will see. And the Kinect thing wasn't just floating around because someone made it up, Microsoft patented the technology. It doesn't mean it will be used, but it's not outside the realm of possibility now. Something I've learned when it comes to this stuff is to expect the worst.

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In the end I think, if it does indeed happen, you will see a whole lot more Steam-like game sales. Once games go over their peak popularity, prices should drop more quickly, since publishers will likely make more money this way.

Poor Gamestop will suffer though.

I didn't mean it was a fake patent or something, the idea that Microsoft is going to charge per person based on how many people are detected is what I meant. It is very easy to pirate on PC, whereas if you wanted to do that on a 360, you would need to flash your DVD drive, download an image, go out and buy DL DVDs, burn it, and then run it. Flashed drives also need to be continually updated to avoid console bans, which are inevitable even if you keep it up to date. They are able to do this because unlike PC it's a closed platform and they can figure out what is going on very easily. So in the world of consoles, there isn't much merit to the idea it's to cut down on piracy. Now account 'trading' could have something to do with it, as well as pressure from publishers to hurt the used game market. People often recover friend's accounts to download their DLC and things of that nature, but that requires a lot of trust, and is not a big issue as not many people do it/care to risk it.

I don't think either of these patents will be put to use; as with most sensationalized patents they are 'just in case' IMO.
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Am I the only one who actually likes the Kinect idea? I'd just point it at a wall with a cutout of Rick Astley on it and bam...I'd only ever be charged for one person.biggrin.gif

but seriously...I think it is a little late to be doubting much of the changes being made to games and movies in the near future. There are just too many sources on it and Microsoft has already confirmed they would be selling game activation keys for used games (but it is up to the publisher if they will allow the second hand game sales)

That is the main reason I don't think they are committed to the Kinect idea; it would be insanely easy to fool, and I'm sure MS realizes that.

As far as the doubt and sources, the only real source regarding this new deal about key activation is a single article that was just published a day or two ago from EDGE or whatever; of course they don't have a true source as it would put a job at risk, but that just means there is no way to validate it until it's truly confirmed. I have never seen Microsoft confirm they will be selling game activation keys for used games, do you have a link for that?

Edit: Oops. Was expecting this to auto-edit my last post. Wrong forum for that I guess.
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