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These kinds of posts bother me almost as much as blind hate posts. If Valve really brought something to the table that adds so much great value, enhances the experience and such, it wouldn't need to be forced upon you. A great product will succeed on its merits, its usually crap or evil crap thats forced down your throats. Steam has done nothing for me but cause issues and steal my games/money and caused countless headaches. What benefit have I gotten? None. And what would make me happy? Being able to opt out of Steam.

There is no reason to have it forced other than control and profit. Its not helping me or enhancing my experience, if it did, I wouldn't care. I can't give Gabe credit because he hasn't done anything for gaming. Valve/Gabe/Steam is the Steve Jobs/Apple of gaming. Almost everything about the company is in the marketing and rabid customer loyalty without reason. Sure, I can see why a lot of people would like this stuff, but its not for everyone. Yet we can attack some companies and people, while others are worshiped while doing similar to the same things.

Steam is a restrictive, locked down ecosystem.

I used to:
1) Buy Game
2) Play Game

Now:
1) Buy Game
2) Run bloatware
3) Check daily to make sure games haven't disappeared from list
4) Contact support asking why games I paid for are gone
5) Deal with robot Steam/Valve support thats about as useful as a magic 8-ball (Almost all replies are auto-generated it seems with little, to nothing to do with your inquiry. All further inquiries are completely ignored)
6) End up buying another copy of same game that doesn't require Steam to play

Glad its such a value added service and I'll be sure to send Gabe an X-Mas card.


I'm in the minority with having such bad issues with Steam, and my bad experiences have tainted my view of them and the company. But the fact that such crap happens to users daily when this should be a completely optional piece of software is a joke. Again, if Steam were so great, added so much value and enriched the experience, people would be flocking to it regardless. They would use such a great service by choice. There is a very good reason this is not the case.

Yes, my posts is quite negative, but someones gotta balance out the love fest going on here. I even think I wouldn't nearly be so hard in my Steam posts if people didn't just blindly praise Gabe/Steam/Valve and make them seem like gods.

So yea, make Steam an option and let it stand by its merits. Wonder how long it would last then tongue.gif

Steam has been optional. It is simply the choice of producers/consumers that it is so ingrained. If producers weren't so interested in having DRM(Steam and so on) then they wouldn't use it. Steam is simply the DRM that most consumers feel is worth putting up with. Markets moved on. Nothing is perfect. Which would you rather? Steam, some other online all the time DRM, or less games/less quality games (note that would not be a 100% likely scenario)?
     
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1) See people praising a good service
2) Make up stuff to be contrary
3) Achieve hipsterhood

1) See legitimate argument
2) Make smartass sarcastic numbered list
3) Be completely arrogant fan

When you spend $50-$60 on a game at retail, and you can't play it without installing Steam, you are forced to use it. A lot of places only allow you to exchange opened games, too. So returning it isn't even an option.

And people wonder why piracy is so rampant; stop treating your paying customers like criminals.
 
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1) See people praising a good service
2) Make up stuff to be contrary
3) Achieve hipsterhood

1) See someone not blindly following the masses
2) Put fingers in ears and go "NANANANANANANA" cause its so painful to hear that the service you worship can rip people off and have issues
3) Call someone a hipster for disagreeing with your personal opinion on the subject.

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Steam has been optional. It is simply the choice of producers/consumers that it is so ingrained. If producers weren't so interested in having DRM(Steam and so on) then they wouldn't use it. Steam is simply the DRM that most consumers feel is worth putting up with. Markets moved on. Nothing is perfect. Which would you rather? Steam, some other online all the time DRM, or less games/less quality games (note that would not be a 100% likely scenario)?

I'd rather just buy my game and play it. Did you read my post. I said that clearly. We all know DRM fails to stop piracy yet inconveniences legit users. I don't know how many Ubi threads were filled with "DRM is evil". As you said, Steam is DRM. And as we know, DRM doesn't really stop piracy, yet it does cause issues for legit users.

Many Devs/Publishers do fine with zero DRM. So the argument of one over the other or terrible games is a poor argument in favor of Steam. A terrible, terrible, argument.
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1) See someone not blindly following the masses
2) Put fingers in ears and go "NANANANANANANA" cause its so painful to hear that the service you worship can rip people off and have issues
3) Call someone a hipster for disagreeing with your personal opinion on the subject.

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I'd rather just buy my game and play it. Did you read my post. I said that clearly. We all know DRM fails to stop piracy yet inconveniences legit users. I don't know how many Ubi threads were filled with "DRM is evil". As you said, Steam is DRM. And as we know, DRM doesn't really stop piracy, yet it does cause issues for legit users.

Many Devs/Publishers do fine with zero DRM. So the argument of one over the other or terrible games is a poor argument in favor of Steam. A terrible, terrible, argument.

And your contribution amounts to using an issue that affects less than .01% of the user base as a reason to call a service trash. As the guy below me said, there's a reason it has exploded and become the most popular distribution method. Because it works.
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I used to:
1) Buy Game
2) Play Game

Now:
1) Buy Game
2) Run bloatware
3) Check daily to make sure games haven't disappeared from list
4) Contact support asking why games I paid for are gone
5) Deal with robot Steam/Valve support thats about as useful as a magic 8-ball (Almost all replies are auto-generated it seems with little, to nothing to do with your inquiry. All further inquiries are completely ignored)
6) End up buying another copy of same game that doesn't require Steam to play

I used to:
1) Buy game
2) Install game
3) Play game

Now:
1) Start Steam
2) Buy game
3) Download game
4) Play game


But to each his own. 5 year Steam member, yet to have any issue.
   
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8 years here, and no issues either. Not that I doubt that people have problems but the majority don't seem to share those experiences.
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These kinds of posts bother me almost as much as blind hate posts. If Valve really brought something to the table that adds so much great value, enhances the experience and such, it wouldn't need to be forced upon you. A great product will succeed on its merits, its usually crap or evil crap thats forced down your throats. Steam has done nothing for me but cause issues and steal my games/money and caused countless headaches. What benefit have I gotten? None. And what would make me happy? Being able to opt out of Steam.

There is no reason to have it forced other than control and profit. Its not helping me or enhancing my experience, if it did, I wouldn't care. I can't give Gabe credit because he hasn't done anything for gaming. Valve/Gabe/Steam is the Steve Jobs/Apple of gaming. Almost everything about the company is in the marketing and rabid customer loyalty without reason. Sure, I can see why a lot of people would like this stuff, but its not for everyone. Yet we can attack some companies and people, while others are worshiped while doing similar to the same things.

Steam is a restrictive, locked down ecosystem.

I used to:
1) Buy Game
2) Play Game

Now:
1) Buy Game
2) Run bloatware
3) Check daily to make sure games haven't disappeared from list
4) Contact support asking why games I paid for are gone
5) Deal with robot Steam/Valve support thats about as useful as a magic 8-ball (Almost all replies are auto-generated it seems with little, to nothing to do with your inquiry. All further inquiries are completely ignored)
6) End up buying another copy of same game that doesn't require Steam to play

Glad its such a value added service and I'll be sure to send Gabe an X-Mas card.


I'm in the minority with having such bad issues with Steam, and my bad experiences have tainted my view of them and the company. But the fact that such crap happens to users daily when this should be a completely optional piece of software is a joke. Again, if Steam were so great, added so much value and enriched the experience, people would be flocking to it regardless. They would use such a great service by choice. There is a very good reason this is not the case.

Yes, my posts is quite negative, but someones gotta balance out the love fest going on here. I even think I wouldn't nearly be so hard in my Steam posts if people didn't just blindly praise Gabe/Steam/Valve and make them seem like gods.

So yea, make Steam an option and let it stand by its merits. Wonder how long it would last then tongue.gif

For me personally Steam has streamlined the whole process. I've purchased games I normally wouldn't thanks to steam Sales and enjoyed them more than games I was hyped up for. So in that respect, in my world, it's done plenty of good for gaming. It's also helped PC gaming sales as a whole and has re-energized the PC gaming market.

and just because people always throw this out there, Apple did not become successful solely because of marketing. What they did is offer something that people actually enjoy and polished the hell out of it. Marketing kept them growing, but it all started because there was actually a desire in the world for such products. I say this as someone who is not a fan of Apple.

It's very much the same thing with Steam. People actually do enjoy using it, and for every customer with a few issues, there are 10 times as many that have none. That's why you see such overwhelming praise for Steam and Valve.

I bet Steam would lose very little if there were no more Steam exclusives, the problem is that in this day and age some other gaming service would snatch the game up and make it an exclusive.
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I like how Gabe is all about the games.

Except when basically everything he's done in the past few years has been specifically for making Steam flavoured money are barely anything to do with games.

Gabe's job is to work on the Steam platform and obviously other things with in the Valve company except on games . Why would he be working on games if its not part of his role in the company?

Valve as a company has released at least one game every single year since the Steam platform has came out. Not only that, but even old games like CS 1.6 have gotten updates. In fact 1.6 has a SteamPipe Beta update currently. A game that came out in 2003 still gets updates, find me another developer that does this, please.
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1) See legitimate argument
2) Make smartass sarcastic numbered list
3) Be completely arrogant fanboy

When you spend $50-$60 on a game at retail, and you can't play it without installing Steam, you are forced to use it. A lot of places only allow you to exchange opened games, too. So returning it isn't even an option.

And people wonder why piracy is so rampant; stop treating your paying customers like criminals.

PC gaming in general has been growing every year, I highly doubt its "rampant".

EDIT;

DOTA 2 is on its way for a 2013 release. Valve also hosts DOTA 2 Tournament called "The International", Valve employees head to International CS:GO events to get feedback. There's a lot of things Valve employees do, then sit around at the office developing a game.

There's also been the rumor/confirmation (?) of the Source 2 engine, SteamBox, etc etc.
Edited by dmasteR - 2/5/13 at 4:17pm
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But I don't trust another company except Goog.... omg yes Google manage Steam.

An android's wet dream.
You trust Google?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA biggrin.gif
rolleyes.gif

I guess more than others, but remember that when they track your every move, and sell that info to the government for leniency. No foil hat here, just saying. There is a reason companies get as rich as Apple and Exxon, and it isn't from playing nice 100% of the time. I'm going to catch heat for this, lol. It's just my opinion and half a joke.

Back on topic:
Yay steam
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I've always thought Steam should start doing movies/music.
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And your contribution amounts to using an issue that affects less than .01% of the user base as a reason to call a service trash. As the guy below me said, there's a reason it has exploded and become the most popular distribution method. Because it works.
It works so well because of two reasons:

1. Easier to download a game, rather than have to physically get up, brush off all those precious Doritos crumbs, and drive to the store to buy said game.

2. Steam sales.

I don't mind Steam, as its easy to run, and fairly lightweight. Origin on the other hand......PITA
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