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I used to:
1) Buy Game
2) Play Game

Now:
1) Buy Game
2) Run bloatware
3) Check daily to make sure games haven't disappeared from list
4) Contact support asking why games I paid for are gone
5) Deal with robot Steam/Valve support thats about as useful as a magic 8-ball (Almost all replies are auto-generated it seems with little, to nothing to do with your inquiry. All further inquiries are completely ignored)
6) End up buying another copy of same game that doesn't require Steam to play

I used to:
1) Buy game
2) Install game
3) Play game

Now:
1) Start Steam
2) Buy game
3) Download game
4) Play game


But to each his own. 5 year Steam member, yet to have any issue.

I've never had an issue on steam and I've been on for 4 years myself... don't understand this "Contact support asking why games I paid for are gone" stuff at all.

I used to:
1) Drive to store
2) Buy Game
3) Drive home
4) Install Game
5) Play Game
6) Lose or damage disc or saved games
7) Rage
8) Buy game, again
9) Repeat from step two.

Now I:
1) Start Steam
2) Buy Game
3) Download/Install Game + any previous saves
4) Play Game

And I'll never lose or damage a game disc again, ever.. not sure how you've managed to lose games on Steam though - or what makes you think the old way of buying games in retail stores was any better than the Steam service is... Last I checked, driving to the store, losing saved games, and throwing money away in general all suck. Also, Steam's sales completely trump retail store sales.
     
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Valve is the only game company on the planet that has the luxury of not having to make a single game now and still remain extremely profitable.

....And fanboys defend them to the death.

Freaking amazing job Gabe! Seriously, run for office.

Activision-Blizzard is up there too. Coz ya know, WoW's still really profitable even though it's lost a huge chunk of players...
And there always will be people buying CoD games anyway, even if they just placate a new name on the exact same game everytime
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The only issue I ve had with Steam is actually an issue with GFWL.

Microsoft decided to delete my email account that was tied to the 4-5 GFWL games I ve had

Cant reregister the game. Steam can't help me. screw GFWL

From memory, I ve lost Dirt 2, Both Batmans, Both Bioshocks and Lost Planet but there are probably more

The batmans I never even got to play and I cant buy a new copy as I have a license already tied to my steam account even though I cant play it

Steam, in my opinion is perfect, the extra layers of DRM being applied to EA games like Crysis and GFWL etc are ruining the enjoyment for me
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jerry.gif

 

Man this is heating up fast .

 

Ive used steam for 5+ Years. Never had an issue , was even able to recover my first account because I found an Old CD key page.

 

If you dont like Steam dont buy games on it , If you cant get your games elsewhere , sorry you wont change.

 

You can hardly sell pc Games due to the key being tied as mentioned .

 

Steam slips everything into a convient package , and isnt nearly as bad as the people who call it DRM or a Crapware. Its a program that streamlines games , friends , and Tools all in one.

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These kinds of posts bother me almost as much as blind hate posts. If Valve really brought something to the table that adds so much great value, enhances the experience and such, it wouldn't need to be forced upon you. A great product will succeed on its merits, its usually crap or evil crap thats forced down your throats. Steam has done nothing for me but cause issues and steal my games/money and caused countless headaches. What benefit have I gotten? None. And what would make me happy? Being able to opt out of Steam.

There is no reason to have it forced other than control and profit. Its not helping me or enhancing my experience, if it did, I wouldn't care. I can't give Gabe credit because he hasn't done anything for gaming. Valve/Gabe/Steam is the Steve Jobs/Apple of gaming. Almost everything about the company is in the marketing and rabid customer loyalty without reason. Sure, I can see why a lot of people would like this stuff, but its not for everyone. Yet we can attack some companies and people, while others are worshiped while doing similar to the same things.

Steam is a restrictive, locked down ecosystem.

I used to:
1) Buy Game
2) Play Game

Now:
1) Buy Game
2) Run bloatware
3) Check daily to make sure games haven't disappeared from list
4) Contact support asking why games I paid for are gone
5) Deal with robot Steam/Valve support thats about as useful as a magic 8-ball (Almost all replies are auto-generated it seems with little, to nothing to do with your inquiry. All further inquiries are completely ignored)
6) End up buying another copy of same game that doesn't require Steam to play

Glad its such a value added service and I'll be sure to send Gabe an X-Mas card.


I'm in the minority with having such bad issues with Steam, and my bad experiences have tainted my view of them and the company. But the fact that such crap happens to users daily when this should be a completely optional piece of software is a joke. Again, if Steam were so great, added so much value and enriched the experience, people would be flocking to it regardless. They would use such a great service by choice. There is a very good reason this is not the case.

Yes, my posts is quite negative, but someones gotta balance out the love fest going on here. I even think I wouldn't nearly be so hard in my Steam posts if people didn't just blindly praise Gabe/Steam/Valve and make them seem like gods.

So yea, make Steam an option and let it stand by its merits. Wonder how long it would last then tongue.gif

This is an excellent post.
post #36 of 103
I like this idea. I just hope that they also cut their share of the profits down if they do this. Somewhere around 10-15% sounds pretty reasonable to me.
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Haven't watched the video but it seem's this would be a brain child to kill off competition, offer company's to host there own store threw steam's back end goodbye to everyone else (origin,uplay,gmg, etc).

Why not sell through both?
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If you don't like steam, don't use it. It's so simple.
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I used to:
1) Buy game
2) Install game
3) Play game

Now:
1) Start Steam
2) Buy game
3) Download game
4) Play game


But to each his own. 5 year Steam member, yet to have any issue.

I've never had an issue on steam and I've been on for 4 years myself... don't understand this "Contact support asking why games I paid for are gone" stuff at all.

I used to:
1) Drive to store
2) Buy Game
3) Drive home
4) Install Game
5) Play Game
6) Lose or damage disc or saved games
7) Rage
8) Buy game, again
9) Repeat from step two.

Now I:
1) Start Steam
2) Buy Game
3) Download/Install Game + any previous saves
4) Play Game

And I'll never lose or damage a game disc again, ever.. not sure how you've managed to lose games on Steam though - or what makes you think the old way of buying games in retail stores was any better than the Steam service is... Last I checked, driving to the store, losing saved games, and throwing money away in general all suck. Also, Steam's sales completely trump retail store sales.


This exactly, no issues, been using it since 2007. I have 259 games on Steam and not a single one has disappeared. On occasion another one would appear!(free weekends) Steam has always been optional, the retail developers always sell a physical copy of the disc. There are a few Indie developers though that do not, but Steam is what brought their game to light in the first place, without it, most people may not have even heard of it.
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This exactly, no issues, been using it since 2007. I have 259 games on Steam and not a single one has disappeared. On occasion another one would appear!(free weekends) Steam has always been optional, the retail developers always sell a physical copy of the disc. There are a few Indie developers though that do not, but Steam is what brought their game to light in the first place, without it, most people may not have even heard of it.

While they may sell a retail disk, many of them can't be played without steam. Inserting the CD just installs steam and uses the disk instead of downloading the game.

I can see many of you haven't bought retail in awhile tongue.gif. If the game is on steam, there's a pretty good chance you can't play it without steam these days, even if you buy a physical disk.
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Steam is not fully optional. Some games cannot be played (legitimately) without it. For example Civ V.

I'm not hating, I do like steam just wanted to point that out.

Edit: Lol got ninjad.
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