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Everybody knows everything. We know exactly how many hours and $ Valve has invested in R&D for Steamboxes, and other hardware, and we know how that compares to all the money and time they've invested to HL3 and other games.

It feels good to know it all.
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Originally Posted by EduFurtado View Post

By the way, as an old CS competitive player, I hate that valve now has 3 versions of the game.
Why couldn't they just mix CSS and 1.6 like the PROMOD tried to? Everyone would be happy... I was angry before because it had 2 separate communities, now I'm even more because there are 3... mad.gif

CS ProMod, didn't try to mix the two. I don't know where you get that idea. Alex Garfield (owner of EG, and owner of CSPROMOD) goal was to never mix the two together. He tried to make a exact replica of 1.6.
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This is quite true, why make your own dlc when you can sell the dlc of other companies and make a profit of that while at the same time looking as the good guy. Meanwhile forcing games that are on steam to sell their dlc through steam as well. They may say they are against dlc but in reality would never want dlc to be gone as it makes up a huge portion of their sales. Does that make them evil? no but it proves they certainly care about money which everyone on here doesn't seem to believe.

At this point they do not even need to make games anymore considering how much revenue their actual games make in relation to steam revenue. That's why they will not bother making big budget games like half life 3, as it would require a huge amount of resources, has high expectations to live up to and would only really be popular with the pc community. While they can just make l4d3 which would require no effort at all and live off the steam revenue.

So you're saying all the additional content on TF2, L4D2, Portal 2 are not considered DLC? Heck, Portal 2's DLC was literally sold as DLC on the consoles. What proof do you have, that Half Life 3 isn't in development?

You should take a visit to the Valve's HQ some day. The amount of people working on Steam is a extremely small portion of their employees. Majority are working on DOTA 2, CS:GO, TF2, and future project(s) last time I visited.


EDIT: I don't see whats wrong with Valve saying they're against DLC, but are selling DLC from other developers. I don't think anyone on this forums believes that Valve doesn't care about money, that would just be naive.
Edited by dmasteR - 2/6/13 at 10:55pm
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These kinds of posts bother me almost as much as blind hate posts. SNIP tongue.gif

Can you opt out of Starforce? Can you opt out of one time activations? Steamworks is not just a distribution platform, it is a form of DRM. If you really don't like it don't buy the game. Speak with your wallet. Go buy games on GOG.com, no DRM at all. I've bought almost 50 games from them.
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Valve have literally perfected the art of making money off the backs of other people doing the work,

Instead of a retailer buying stock, they simply take 30% per sale.

They take 75% on the sale price of TF2 items created by users.

Probably similar with DotA 2.

They plan to have companies building "Steam boxes" to put Steam in living rooms for them.

They want Steam to be an api so that other entities can give greater visibility/profit to Steam.

They'll stand "on your side" when it comes to DLC, but they sure as hell don't mind selling it to you by the bucketload!


Valve is about Steam, pure and simple. They've spent more time doing seminars and talking up promoting their brand than actually trying to do anything to forward gaming in a long time.

What is wrong with that?

Really guys, I am 100% the guy that hates SOPA, thinks we need more regulation of ISPs, that copyright and IP law has swung WAAAY too far in favor of content owners. I dislike DRM and would like to see it gone completely. I support GOG.com and buy as many games as I can from them.

But the fact is many publishers just are not comfortable releasing new games without DRM. If you look at all the various kinds of DRM you could have Steamworks is about as consumer friendly as you can get. This is getting really old and I suspect some of the more vehement Steam opponents here will never be convinced so I'll stop posting in this thread but guys, we could have it WAAAY worse.
Edited by Mygaffer - 2/6/13 at 11:18pm
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What is wrong with that?

I didn't say it was wrong as such. I simply told it like it is.

Valve will have spent a tonne more on market research and figuring out new ways to make money without actually doing much work for it (and they've been successful in doing so) than they will have spent in using their development experience to bring games to their Steam customers.

What is wrong, is people not seeing it for what it is because of some strange herd mentality.

There is literally not one thing that they do that one can say that they do purely out of the goodness of their own hearts as if it's "for" the gamer. Its "for" their business, not you.

Right now, everything is about making Steam bigger for Valve and almost nothing else.
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I didn't say it was wrong as such. I simply told it like it is.

Valve will have spent a tonne more on market research and figuring out new ways to make money without actually doing much work for it (and they've been successful in doing so) than they will have spent in using their development experience to bring games to their Steam customers.

What is wrong, is people not seeing it for what it is because of some strange herd mentality.

There is literally not one thing that they do that one can say that they do purely out of the goodness of their own hearts as if it's "for" the gamer. Its "for" their business, not you.

Right now, everything is about making Steam bigger for Valve and almost nothing else.

 

 

You act like no other company does this , I mean I get the Che Guvera Pic , but welcome to the new world . Having other make money for you isnt something new. Just because people like Valve , doesnt mean you have to act like a jerk to them. "Don't ask me, ask the people who'd be crying their eyes out about it if it was any other than their neck-bearded man-crush Gabe Newell doing it."

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You act like no other company does this , I mean I get the Che Guvera Pic , but welcome to the new world . Having other make money for you isnt something new. Just because people like Valve , doesnt mean you have to act like a jerk to them. "Don't ask me, ask the people who'd be crying their eyes out about it if it was any other than their neck-bearded man-crush Gabe Newell doing it."

Stop being (purely) offended and read my post again.

I never said I had a problem with it. I use it, but I don't treat Steam or Valve like my best friend.

As you say, its not something new, yet people act like Valve are different. They aren't. That's my problem.

They simply have a position to be able to not have to deal with any pressures that similar companies do because they've decided to rely on simply sponging off of other peoples work instead of trying to make money from actually making games.

Yet if anyone, ANYONE ever DARED to attempt to place themselves in a similar position so that they could survive a tough time in gaming development, they'd be mob rushed by those same people who appreciate what Valve does because of their position to not actually have to make games to stay afloat.

Why? PURE selfishness.

Its hypocrisy, its the weirdest mass mancrushing I've ever seen, its worse than "iSheep" mentality and I don't like it, but that's just me.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 2/7/13 at 12:47am
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So much hate on valve and steam. People acting like valve never makes games (dota2 is not a game?) and as if steam is the worst DRM ever (doesn't make much sense either, i could play skyrim without steam (and without cracks) and me and my brother could even play simultaniously by using offline mode). Developers don't publish games on steam for the DRM, they do it for the advertisement. Without steam they would never sell enough to be profitable.

They don't milk their customers with DRM. They don't have any pay to win in their games, dota2 and TF2 can be played for free and not paying doesn't make the game any worse for you. A lot of people make money of valve game (selling items/ steam workshop), they even claim that 1000000 people in asia get all their income from it. They have high bandwidth servers all over the world. Patching games is automaticly.

Only con i have with steam is the (probably large) cut they take on sales.

And valve is not ripping people of because they take 75% of the steam workshop sales. Remember that modders in most other games don't get paid anything at all.
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Stop being (purely) offended and read my post again.

I never said I had a problem with it. I use it, but I don't treat Steam or Valve like my best friend.

As you say, its not something new, yet people act like Valve are different. They aren't. That's my problem.

They simply have a position to be able to not have to deal with any pressures that similar companies do because they've decided to rely on simply sponging off of other peoples work instead of trying to make money from actually making games.

Yet if anyone, ANYONE ever DARED to attempt to place themselves in a similar position so that they could survive a tough time in gaming development, they'd be mob rushed by those same people who appreciate what Valve does because of their position to not actually have to make games to stay afloat.

Why? PURE selfishness.

Its hypocrisy, its the weirdest mass mancrushing I've ever seen, its worse than "iSheep" mentality and I don't like it, but that's just me.

Valve Isnt different in the light that they make money using other people but they are offering a service that no other company has been able to offer , gabe newell is an all right dude. Valve has never screwed me over , i dont have a reason to follow them blindly , I enjoy steam. I enjoy Steam. thats about it. Valve is doing Digital Content with a DRM that isnt taht bad.

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Stop being (purely) offended and read my post again.

I never said I had a problem with it. I use it, but I don't treat Steam or Valve like my best friend.

As you say, its not something new, yet people act like Valve are different. They aren't. That's my problem.

They simply have a position to be able to not have to deal with any pressures that similar companies do because they've decided to rely on simply sponging off of other peoples work instead of trying to make money from actually making games.

Yet if anyone, ANYONE ever DARED to attempt to place themselves in a similar position so that they could survive a tough time in gaming development, they'd be mob rushed by those same people who appreciate what Valve does because of their position to not actually have to make games to stay afloat.

Why? PURE selfishness.

Its hypocrisy, its the weirdest mass mancrushing I've ever seen, its worse than "iSheep" mentality and I don't like it, but that's just me.
I don't think that's ever happened ever.

If there was a service that was better than Steam it would be welcomed with open arms by everyone.

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If you don't like steam, don't use it. It's so simple.
It's so bad that I use it almost every day!

Darn you convenience and great prices!

I'm so mad!
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I use to

1. buy base game
2. Buy a bundle game GOTY edition, give away the old one.

in steam

1. You buy the game early
2. Developer release a bundle GOTY a great price, much cheaper than all DLCs expansion combined.
3. You buy the bundle, steam stole away ur old game despite u have 2 CDkeys. whistle.gif


WAY To go man, steam. bunch of thief stealing ur game because u bought the game twice.
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