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Could we please layoff the personal attacks? I know many of you don't like valve and many that you do. However, that doesn't mean that it gives you the right to pick on each other. We are not here to have a verbal war with each other. This forum is designed as a discussion board. Please try to avoid causing conflicts and dramas. Otherwise, you will be subjected to harsh penalties(aka infractions and warnings).

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I don't even have to, the example is right here before us. I never said Valve is stupid. They're actually quite genius.
They have legions of fans who advertise for them. The word of mouth is the best form of advertising.
And there's no one better to have on your side than die-hard fans.

Valve have literally perfected the art of making money off the backs of other people doing the work,

Instead of a retailer buying stock, they simply take 30% per sale.

They take 75% on the sale price of TF2 items created by users.

Probably similar with DotA 2.

They plan to have companies building "Steam boxes" to put Steam in living rooms for them.

They want Steam to be an api so that other entities can give greater visibility/profit to Steam.

They'll stand "on your side" when it comes to DLC, but they sure as hell don't mind selling it to you by the bucketload!


Valve is about Steam, pure and simple. They've spent more time doing seminars and talking up promoting their brand than actually trying to do anything to forward gaming in a long time.

So you are suggesting that valve is inherently evil and it's devil disguised as a sheep, just like most companies tongue.gif
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I am a huge fan of Valve and Steam. They provide a huge library of games to be easily and cheaply purchased. I love the user interface and having quick access to all my games from one place. I link all of my games to Steam so I can launch them right from the slick looking grid view. It allows me to keep my desktop space nice and clean.

All that being said, it is a bad thing anytime DRM is forced upon people. I hate that I have to use Origin for BF3. I don't like Origin. I am sure many people feel the same about Steam being forced on them. It should be a choice. DRM does not prevent piracy! If I buy a disc in a store with a CD key, then I should not be required to use an extra layer of software to access it.
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Not evil.

They're just a company that are able to take advantage of the fact that they don't need to actually be doing what basically every other company of similar stature needs to do right now to actually stay afloat (aka making games that actually sell, a lot).

Much of that is due to them just being a middle man and raking in cash from other people's work. 30% from game sales. 75% from in game purchases in games like TF2...

(Can you IMAGINE the worldwide internet rage if any other company decided to allow mods, then make it so people charged for those mods...then took 75% of each sales??.

And that's another thing. Nobody seems to be caring about the precedent of user created content costing money to acquire...)

Therefore the reason why they aren't adding loads of DLC, trying their hardest to think of a reasons/ideas to make another extension to popular series year after year etc is not they're nice people, its because they don't need to do it like everyone else does.

People complain about DLC and bad/ruined games, ports and whatever, but you'll not one time in your life see Valve say "you know what, our customers don't like this stuff. Lets make a REAL stand and not authorise them for Steam"

They'll authorise those "bad ports", those "money grubbing DLCs", those "ruined games" and they'll sell them to you alllll day every day.

Why?

£$£$£$£$£$£$£$£$££$ all that lovely £$£$£$£$£$£$£$£$£$£$£$£$.

Gabe didn't get to be a billionaire looking out for you.
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Hey, I don't make this cocaine, I just sell it! Don't blame the messenger bro, just give me my cut and go arrest the manufacturers! The hell is your problem anyway?

Its not about you or doing anything specifically awesome for gamers on the whole. Everything they do is for profit. Just like any other business, so I don't see why they are treated any different.

Oh wait.

Internet.

Memes.

Selling out on moral grounds you'd hold any other company to because "cheap games" (that you don't even play, yes you, you know what I'm talking about mr 100s of games on Steam poke.gif ).


The worst thing is as I said before, people are in love with this whole thing because Valve were able to position themselves in a certain way so that they can actually do these things and not have to be scavenging for game sales to make profits, but they'll crusade against ANY other company who'd also like to get into that same position.

Out of nothing but pure selfishness.

Meh.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 2/7/13 at 4:43am
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By the way, as an old CS competitive player, I hate that valve now has 3 versions of the game.
Why couldn't they just mix CSS and 1.6 like the PROMOD tried to? Everyone would be happy... I was angry before because it had 2 separate communities, now I'm even more because there are 3... mad.gif

CS ProMod, didn't try to mix the two. I don't know where you get that idea. Alex Garfield (owner of EG, and owner of CSPROMOD) goal was to never mix the two together. He tried to make a exact replica of 1.6.

1.6 gameplay with CS:S graphics.
I call that mixing O.O
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1.6 gameplay with CS:S graphics.
I call that mixing O.O
Depends what you call mixing i guess. I would say mixing is taking different elements from both games and putting them together to make something new.
What was done however was recreating the same game in a different engine.
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Because both Half Lifes and Portal weren't great or anything...And TF2 is Micro-Transactions done perfectly, you can play the game for free if you want without losing out on anything that affects gameplay, as well as all of the free updates everyone gets...There's a lot of players who have never paid a dime for TF2 but play it a lot..

It isn't hard to find some one who doesn't like HL2 or Portal all that much. I mean they were alright, but it wasn't anything special. It showed off the physics they built into the Source engine and that was it. However even HL2 is like five or six years old now. The Source engine isn't special any more. If Gabe should be noted for anything it should be CS:S, but again...really old. Valve has not added anything for the software side of things in a VERY long time. They are a game store now. I doubt we will ever see another game out of them unless it in on that new "Steam Box" console thing they've been talking about.

I agree that TF2 does micro transactions right...but I believe it was the first non-MMO genre game to do so. Though if they hadn't we would have probably just seen something like Diablo 2 with all the third party sites selling stuff so I probably shouldn't even be complaining about it. Now we are seeing it popup in other games and not just for hats. We could be seeing this be a mandatory thing to play a game in the very near future when it was an optional thing before.
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I wouldn't mind steam so much if i weren't forced to update a single player (Looking at you metro) game to the newest version before i can play it. rolleyes.gif
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Go Gabe Go!

Valve is PC's last standing hero...
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Steam is the iTunes of gaming. Unecassary and bloated. It's would be so much better to buy these games off the shelf or some other way where we have control and ownership of the product we purchased...like buying actual discs and not drm locked content. I know it's the industry trend, but I can't believe people write this off as ok. LAME thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

OH YEAH - +1 to GrizzleBoy
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Some of us just don't care as much. Adding tame versions of DRM isn't killing me nor is it holding me hostage, and I can still purchase many games DRM free if I desire. It would be nice to see DRM free versions be offered for every game but I don't see that happening anytime soon so I'd much rather see companies utilize Steam as a form of DRM, rather than something else.
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