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Plenty of time to bring those GPUs to market if they wanted to, they didn't because they can sell a K20 for 3000 retail or at least 2500+ bulk, but can only sell a gtx 680 for 500-600 retail. And the GK104 was already beating the tahiti-XT with the very bad drivers, so why take the loss in revenue for no reason?

This limited run will only be out there to prove the performance dominance, it won't be a huge release.

Again no, Gk110 wasn't working at all they were having problems the GK 104 was the best they had and they clocked the balls off of it to compete and fyi, The 7970 beat the 680

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ummmm no

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So much fail in this reply.

a) In I+D environments, as soon as the product is done, you put it out. Everyday the tech is ready but not into the market you are losing money, since you allow your competition to catch-up. Would you invest hundreds of millions into a product and, then, wait a year to release it? Really?

b) Any CEO not following a) strictly would get fired by their shareholders any minute. Do you have any idea why products get revisions? Or bugs? Because all companies in I+D related industries work against the clock and any minute the product is not out there is a ton of revenue lost.

c) Do you truly think that GK110 didn't get released early even for Tesla when such cards have a HUGE mark-up and there was a TON of expectation?

Conclusion: you are clueless. NVIDIA, and any other tech-company that has competition around it, will release every product the single minute they can, and not a minute later. Why did GK110 come that late? Because it wasn't ready: be it that it was too expensive, or the fab couldn't keep up or whatever reason: it wasn't ready.

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Again no, Gk110 wasn't working at all they were having problems the GK 104 was the best they had and they clocked the balls off of it to compete and fyi, The 7970 beat the 680
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^this

Its beating the snot out of it now, but it didn't at launch. This is taking into account CF and SLI, and the bad drivers for each new architecture. I believe GK110 was ready, but production wasn't because of TSMCs huge manufacturing issues, the release of GK110 would have been a complete paper release, instead of this mostly paper release now. As I stated, and prava said the other side of the point, they would have been killing their profit margins trying to sell the few GK110 they were able to produce as GeForce instead of Tesla K20. It was the manufacturing holding them up with such low yields, not the architecture .. GK110 was working just fine.
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post #153 of 1002
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Its beating the snot out of it now, but it didn't at launch. This is taking into account CF and SLI, and the bad drivers for each new architecture. I believe GK110 was ready, but production wasn't because of TSMCs huge manufacturing issues, the release of GK110 would have been a complete paper release, instead of this mostly paper release now. As I stated, and prava said the other side of the point, they would have been killing their profit margins trying to sell the few GK110 they were able to produce as GeForce instead of Tesla K20. It was the manufacturing holding them up with such low yields, not the architecture .. GK110 was working just fine.

the only one having issues at TSMC were nvidia.
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post #154 of 1002
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the only one having issues at TSMC were nvidia.

I'm not sure I understand what your point is, I'm saying the reason the 680 shipped with GK104 is the production issues of GK110 at TSMC and AMD's release performance of the 7970 being so poor. Your statement agrees with my point, but in a way which leads me to believe you think you're disagreeing...
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Why are people are so delusional in this thread? To the bunch saying that GK110 was not working, sure it has problems but they have been ironed out for the most part, in addition its all about yields. This thing is 7.1 billion worth of transistors. Manufacturing this with a profit is pushing the boundaries of semiconductor manufacturing as is. It was held back not because it was broken, but to get the yields to improve. Only reason Teslas were released first because nvidia can make a good buck there to recoup loses due to poor yields. Now 28nm is much more stable than a year ago and they can afford to release this card to consumers and still make a profit. Its all about binning. Tesla get the well binned GPUs while consumers get semi pleb GPUs with some GPGPU aspects cut out but for the most part functional.

This comes to the second part where some claim it wil lbe a "limited run"
Lol, why would they do that? They will continue making the GK110 dies and some will not qualify to Tesla TDP quality standards so they will be dumped into consumer space. Nvidia aren't just gonna throw away leaky but functional GK110 dies. They're gonna capitalize on it as much as they can.
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the only one having issues at TSMC were nvidia.

Wrong... both companies had plenty of trouble. Are you trying to disagree with the guy you quoted, or back up his statement by mentioning that there were 28nm troubles?
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I'm not sure I understand what your point is, I'm saying the reason the 680 shipped with GK104 is the production issues of GK110 at TSMC and AMD's release performance of the 7970 being so poor. Your statement agrees with my point, but in a way which leads me to believe you think you're disagreeing...

you say that it was TSMC's fault for there manufacturing issues, which is plain old wrong like super wrong like the wrongest thing ever said.

i say nvida's design is the problem...it always was that's why gk100 was a failure and gk104 had yield issues and why gk 110 is was 8-9 months after design on the market.

and the 7970's performance was poor?? maybe because of a lower clock speed, but poor? really ok then poor it is....

WTB: hair pulling emoticon...
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Again no, Gk110 wasn't working at all they were having problems the GK 104 was the best they had and they clocked the balls off of it to compete and fyi, The 7970 beat the 680
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^this

What? No, it didn't.... the 680 was faster than the 7970 and had better drivers, features, and pricing, than the 7970 at launch. Recent drivers may have helped the 7970 some (still with horrifically bad frametime distribution that makes the image juddery), but they're not far apart at all even after all that as the 680 has seen nice improvements through drivers as well.
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and the 7970's performance was poor?? maybe because of a lower clock speed, but poor? really ok then poor it is....

WTB: hair pulling emoticon...

He said "release performance" as in the TSMC manufacturing, presumably. What are you on about? Clocks have nothing to do with that.
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