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The real question is will it have voltage control or not? If so wheee.gif
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they were equal with the 7970 in favour of more games at launch especialy considering the 7970 is older it won then hands down and won now, Sorry but the 680 while a great card and Gk 104 was a great chip, It didn't beat tahiti XT outright and loses thoroughly now.


Gk110 wasn't ready, It wasn't working at all because they were having issues at TSMC
that's the thing, Their 3000 dollar chip had not yet been built it was having issues, Nvidia was the only one at TMSC that was having issues, And as such it was an Nvidia issue as to why GK 110 wasn't working, Hence they clocked the balls off and taped some features to GK 104 and hoped it worked and it did.
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Explains a lot.

Now, on to TSMC, the chip was *obviously* built, or they wouldn't have been able to find out their manufacturing process was borked. The problem they had was low yields *not* architecture problems. Meaning their process was flawed, and needed to be tweaked. Your beloved ATI was also having issues, they were just getting higher yields, but not great ones at the time.

Even so, the GK104 was also having low yields, it was just less expensive to fail those, than it was to fail GK110s, so they shipped the 680 as a mostly voltage locked clocked to hell GK104. They could get away with this, because the performance of the 7970 at launch was abysmal due to horrible drivers. Obviously, this has changed because the 7970 of today beats out a 680 quite readily, but that is also because the 680 should really have been released as the 660 or 665 or 660TI, since its the top of the midrange line kepler GPU.
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Even the TPU review that was quoted by everyone saying the difference between the 680 and 7970 wasn't a big one says that the 680 was the faster card at all resolutions...

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_680/27.html

The 680 launched with higher performance than the 7970 at a lower price. Back then it was about the 7970 and 680 being on par when both were overclocked (7970 or 680 winning by a bit depending on the OCs in question).

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Unfortunatly alatar my frozen friend, Some of those are within what some would call a margin of error, And i never quoted TPU

Never said you did but it was quoted a lot. Other sites showed bigger differences in favor of the 680.

Anyways, I'd agree that they're within the margin of error if we were talking about one game and both of the cards won some resolutions. But the 680 averaged better in a big bunch of games and won all the resolutions.

That doesn't mean that the 7970 didn't pull ahead clearly after the GHz edition and 12.11s but when the 680 launched, there was a reason NV called it the fastest and most efficient GPU ever built. Pretty much all reviewers said it was just that.
 
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Unfortunatly alatar my frozen friend, Some of those are within what some would call a margin of error, And i never quoted TPU

How does that even matter, you are still comparing the first to market top of the line card, to a mid-range GPU. How can you delude yourself into thinking this was somehow a GOOD situation for AMD to be in? Heads should have rolled in the driver teams down in Austin, and you boast of this like its a good thing?
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Explains a lot.

Now, on to TSMC, the chip was *obviously* built, or they wouldn't have been able to find out their manufacturing process was borked. The problem they had was low yields *not* architecture problems. Meaning their process was flawed, and needed to be tweaked. Your beloved ATI was also having issues, they were just getting higher yields, but not great ones at the time.

Even so, the GK104 was also having low yields, it was just less expensive to fail those, than it was to fail GK110s, so they shipped the 680 as a mostly voltage locked clocked to hell GK104. They could get away with this, because the performance of the 7970 at launch was abysmal due to horrible drivers. Obviously, this has changed because the 7970 of today beats out a 680 quite readily, but that is also because the 680 should really have been released as the 660 or 665 or 660TI, since its the top of the midrange line kepler GPU.
^

Actually just because i have the ATI enthusiast tag below my name doesn't mean anything, That just says you won't even have an argument, They weren't having yield problems they were having problems everywhere and the whole thing needed tinkering at the time of Gk104 launch GK110 wasn't even remotely close to ready, And before anyone even tries to say it was cheaper, the GTX 680 was a thousand bucks here on launch and remained that way for a very long time here, It was only recently did it start heading down to affordable 600 and 500 dollar marks in australia, Want to know the 7970 launch price? 500 bucks, Want to know what it was when the 680 launched? Still 500 bucks.


7970 had equal to or better and was cheaper, I'm not saying the 680 was a bad chip, It was a brilliant chip but for everyone saying they "knew" that gk104 could compete and didn't need to sell Gk110 is wrong, Nvidia needed something to compete, They knew they weren't going to get 110 out anywhere near in time so they super charged 104 and slapped some features on it.
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Even the TPU review that was quoted by everyone saying the difference between the 680 and 7970 wasn't a big one says that the 680 was the faster card at all resolutions...

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_680/27.html

The 680 launched with higher performance than the 7970 at a lower price. Back then it was about the 7970 and 680 being on par when both were overclocked (7970 or 680 winning by a bit depending on the OCs in question).
That isn't really fair as relative performance also counts the games in which bad drivers gave the hd7970's rubish performance.
So I guess neither is really better the hd7970 can support multi monitors and has the vram for it.
While the 680 is more efficient and has a better cooler. (the sweet sport performance/watt is still a hd7750 or an hd7850 so let's keep that out of the picture as we are talking bout monster cards)
Edited by maarten12100 - 2/5/13 at 12:55pm
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So are we going to get back on topic on new info about the GK110 release or is this another thread that the mod's will close soon since its now a AMD vs. NV
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Hmmm to SLI my 670 4GB or sell it and get this.

 

Hard choice ahead.

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So are we going to get back on topic on new info about the GK110 release or is this another thread that the mod's will close soon since its now a AMD vs. NV
Let's hope not I don't get the disscusion the gtx680 had a midrange gk104 chips proven fact I myself own a gtx570 and an hd7850 and a gtx275 I also had a hd4870 2GB an gtx9800 and a hd4850 512mb
I tend to chose what is best who cares who it is from as many years have show us there was never a clear winner. (however we can all agree the gtx2xx series were very nice)
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Hmmm to SLI my 670 4GB or sell it and get this.

Hard choice ahead.
If you can get good money for it sell it and get this monster as it has more ram and the same performance in a single card. biggrin.gif
Why would you put money towards something that will out-date sooner you might sli the Titan in a few years if you need more performance.
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What's really sad is Amd had to do a refresh of the 7970 with the GHZ 6 months later just to compete. The 7970 was getting outperformed by even the 670. Did Nvidia ever do a refresh? Nope. They don't have to since they already took the majority of sales and no longer care. They have much bigger things in store.
 
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