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Just FYI you are contradicting Driftingforlife who have a Haswell ES. We already have Haswell benchmarks showing IPC gains from 5-
That all rather depends whether he has a high end chip say socket 2011(2011B the new socket) or he has a mid end chip.
If he has a mid end one he is incorrect if he has a high end chip he isn't.

On the other hand it would be quite weird for him to have a high end Haswell as Ivy-e and Ivy-ex is being tested as we speak.
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That all rather depends whether he has a high end chip say socket 2011(2011B the new socket) or he has a mid end chip.
If he has a mid end one he is incorrect if he has a high end chip he isn't.

On the other hand it would be quite weird for him to have a high end Haswell as Ivy-e and Ivy-ex is being tested as we speak.

You can't get Socket 2011 Haswell-E ES chips outside an Intel lab right now(as those are slated for 2014 release at the earliest), all the ES out there of that type are Ivy-E. He definitely have a LGA 1150 ES chip.

So you believe you are correct and he is wrong despite him having a Haswell ES? Haswell benches so far have shown IPC(the transistor count decreasing you are claiming would certainly reduce IPC) gains of 5-10% and we already have leaked 4670K/4770K clocks showing they have the same clocks as Ivy(3.4/3.8 for i5K, 3.5/3.9 for i7K) so I don't see where you get the performance not increasing stuff from.
Edited by sherlock - 2/16/13 at 6:06am
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You can't get Socket 2011 Haswell-E ES chips right now(as those are slated for 2014 release at the earliest), all the ES out there of that type are Ivy-E. He definitely have a LGA 1150 ES chip.

So you believe you are correct and he is wrong despite him having a Haswell ES? Haswell benches so far have shown IPC gains 5-10% increase and we already have leaked 4670K/4770K clocks showing they have the same clocks as Ivy(3.4/3.8 for i5K, 3.5/3.9 for i7K) so I don't see where you get the performance not increasing stuff from.
It depends on how he comaperes performance with current gen if he clock it up until consumption is equal the Haswell would perform way better of course.
But clock per clock it seems not so much.

If he has one I can't do anything but assume either my source was wrong or the benching was done different.
He can't leak specs but he can leak pictures of the proc itself (not that I have reason to look at a IHS that says Intel Confidential or qa96 tongue.gif )
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It depends on how he comaperes performance with current gen if he clock it up until consumption is equal the Haswell would perform way better of course.
But clock per clock it seems not so much.

If he has one I can't do anything but assume either my source was wrong or the benching was done different.
He can't leak specs but he can leak pictures of the proc itself (not that I have reason to look at a IHS that says Intel Confidential or qa96 )

5-10% IPC increase shown so far in leaked benches seem in line from what I seen from predictions made by sites like Anandtech(5-15% depend on application), and Haswell i5K/i7K TDP is actually higher than Ivy(84W vs 77W) and their clock speed is the same(this leaked last year) for i5 4670K(vs3570K)/i74770K (vs 4670K).
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5-10% IPC increase shown so far in leaked benches seem in line from what I seen from predictions made by sites like Anandtech(5-15% depend on application), and Haswell i5K/i7K TDP is actually higher than Ivy(84W vs 77W) and their clock speed is the same(this leaked last year) for i5 4670K(vs3570K)/i74770K (vs 4670K).
Higher tdp and almost no increase in performance it better use less power idle, otherwise mid end Haswell is pretty much a bust.
I feel so lucky I won't touch the mid end Haswell anyway biggrin.gif
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Higher tdp and almost no increase in performance it better use less power idle, otherwise mid end Haswell is pretty much a bust.
I feel so lucky I won't touch the mid end Haswell anyway

Idle Power saving is like one of the top 3 main focus of Haswell, you must not read any of the anandtech Haswell articles. Plus that TDP increase is mainly from a more powerful IGPU(disable that on Ivy =TDP drops 10W+, could be much more for Haswell), and integrated vrm(which helps power saving).
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I would like to ask a realistic question.
Lets just consider single GPU numbers without dual GPU solutions, for guys with power need just for a single screen.
Considering what we know, the Titan will be about 70-85% faster then the current top end GPU GTX680.
We speculate that the GTX780 will bring in about maybe 15-20% gain over GTX 680.
would whatever comes next after 780, the 880s be able to match the raw power and speed of the Titan?
Even tho if it did that will be a long time from now, probably soonest 1.5-2 years, at typical price range of 500-600 for top
end model. If 880s will "just" match same power of the Titan, by then I think having the same power for the past 2 years for the additional
300 bucks over the typical high end price of 500-600, is not really all that bad considering you will have a really "futureproof" card that might last you for at least 3-5 years.
That is why I'm really considering getting one for just for the fact that the future tech is slowing down, and power gains seem to be just incremental over each generation.
Lets not put out AMDs offering out of the question either, I'm only looking for best,fastest at a given time, with reasonable price range.
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