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Nvidia, does not support supersampling; therefore you may have never noticed what 660ti lacks in memory performance. Supersampling does make a difference, even 2x antialiasing of texture reflections makes a much bigger difference than 8x MSAA and yes! TRSSAA is not equal to SSAA. Just check it out on benchmark3d's review.
Nvidia produces visually underperforming hardware as I see it.

Isn't that what SGSSAA is for?
 
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Isn't that what SGSSAA is for?
Thank you for noting that out. Cannot be too direct with Nvidia pretenses. Quoting from jtom320's quote:
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The story behind SGSSAA:
Nvidia implemented TRSSAA as an alpha test that supersampled pixels that passed. A bug was present in one of the drivers they released for the new fermi cards that caused the alpha test to always pass and therefore apply SGSSAA to all pixels. They fixed the bug in the next release but many users said that they liked the look of fullscene SGSSAA and complained about its removal. This caused nvidia to release a tool that allowed the bug to be re-enabled. Despite the fact that this tool was made by nvidia they do not officially support it, it comes with a nice fat "use at your own risk" warning. The new fermi cards + new drivers made nhancer no longer compatible (since it never got updated for the 200 series drivers) and since the developer of nhancer has dropped off the face of the planet we can expect it to never be updated. However in the meantime another developer made a better app that did the same thing, nvidia inspector. He included the SGSSAA hack in it.

Therefore SGSSAA technically comes in two forms, FSSGSSAA (fullscene sparse gride supersampling anti-aliasing, which is SGSSAA applied to the entire scene) or TRSGSSAA (tranparency sparse grid supersampling anti-aliasing, which is SGSSAA applied only to transparent textures).
As far as nvidia inspector and nvcp (nvidia control panel) are concerned they are listed under the following names:
FSSGSSAA is just called SGSSAA
TRSGSSAA is just called TRSSAA or "Transparency Supersampling"

Technically both of them are SGSSAA, but only the fullscene implementation is called SGSSAA.
Nvidia's SGSSAA is what I have just called before = TRSA(TRSGSAA) =/= True SSAA(FSSGSSAA).
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Originally Posted by Mad Pistol View Post

No. I have an HD 7870 and a 660 Ti, and the 660 Ti is most definitely faster, overclocked or not. The 7870 also exhibits more frame stutter (FRAPS confirms) than the 660 Ti. I have NO idea where you guys keep getting off saying that the 7870 is a direct competitor to the 660 Ti when the 660 Ti is the superior card.

I'll buy that the 660 Ti competes with the 7950, but anything below the 7950 gets eaten by the 660 Ti.

The reason I would recommend a 7950 over a 660 Ti for Crysis 3 is simply because Crysis 3 comes FOR FREE with a 7950. Beyond that, it's a crap shoot. Take your pick. They're both great cards and will perform similarly on Crysis 3.


Also, if you're looking to max out Crysis 3 @ 60fps, get ready to buy a couple cards. A single GPU card from this gen will not suffice.

I have been saying this exact thing since the beginning, yet they insist on arguing. rolleyes.gif

I even recommended the 7950 as well yet he still argues.......Some people.
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Nvidia has (arguably pretty useless) features like CUDA and PhysX so they must be better right??
Possibly to people who do not use them. But to people that do it is very helpful, speaking about CUDA. And PhysX is personal opinion of course, but I find it to be a nice edition to my card, not a reason I bought it. When a game comes out that I can use PhysX in, I use it and enjoy it. It is extra eye candy and most of us like that?
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Originally Posted by Kane2207 View Post

CUDA is quite useful, thanks smile.gif

Pretty much, I love CUDA.
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Originally Posted by mtcn77 View Post

Thank you for noting that out. Cannot be too direct with Nvidia pretenses. Quoting from jtom320's quote:
Nvidia's SGSSAA is what I have just called before = TRSA(TRSGSAA) =/= True SSAA(FSSGSSAA).

Seems to me like they are both still possible.

I personally don't use either.
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Possibly to people who do not use them. But to people that do it is very helpful, speaking about CUDA. And PhysX is personal opinion of course, but I find it to be a nice edition to my card, not a reason I bought it. When a game comes out that I can use PhysX in, I use it and enjoy it. It is extra eye candy and most of us like that?

Pretty much this...
 
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Seems to me like they are both still possible.


Pretty much this...
Its is possible that you have missed the spot: you cannot enable FSSGSAA on Nvidia hardware without using Nvidia Inspector, thus it is unsupported. However that is not the point, the point is supersampling takes a hefty memory bandwidth, when you factor that in, all the Nvidia hardware range falls a tier down.
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Its is possible that you have missed the spot: you cannot enable FSSGSAA on Nvidia hardware without using Nvidia Inspector, thus it is unsupported. However that is not the point, the point is supersampling takes a hefty memory bandwidth, when you factor that in, all the Nvidia hardware range falls a tier down.
Thats a uh.. interesting statement there lol
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Thats a uh.. interesting statement there lol

They no longer support/update the inspector as far as I'm aware... I'm assuming that's what he's after.

The old version of the inspector works just fine though.
 
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Thats a uh.. interesting statement there lol
U see, you're missing the point. The dealbreaker for supersampling is memory interface performance, not whether it is supported, or not.
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U see, you're missing the point. The dealbreaker for supersampling is memory interface performance, not whether it is supported, or not.

That makes no sense though, so in other words. only the 7950/7970 can do supersampling...
 
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