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Personally I don't view macros as cheating. Generally the advantage of macros are debatable and saying some one is cheating due to macros is quite a stretch IMO. Its like saying using non standard key bindings is cheating or that using a mouse with more buttons is cheating (think razer naga).

Macros fall in to the same category as on the fly DPI adjustment, extra buttons, surround sound ect. Yes they might be useful to some and not everyone has them but at the end of the day its the better player that wins. Macros or not.
Honestly it just depends on what you use the macros for...

When it gets to the point where the macro is playing the game for you... and not you playing the game, then yes.. it's cheating.

Right up there with bots, pixel watchers, and other "one upmanship" tools to give an advantage.


Think about it like this... when the macro can perform functions not humanly possible on its own, then what difference is that to athletes who take PEDs to do things other humans can't? It's a game... play it... don't let the equipment play it for you.
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Which mouse you use is irrelevant—all mice support macros from the moment they have buttons. Games can only ban you for software, not hardware.
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Which mouse you use is irrelevant—all mice support macros from the moment they have buttons. Games can only ban you for software, not hardware.

Games and on top of that specific servers, can ban you for whatever the hell they feel like tongue.gif.

Also I used to have a mouse that had programmable macros. This meant no software was running one you programmed the mouse- you could even set it up to do what you wanted on a different PC. So, it can make a difference what mouse you have.
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Games and on top of that specific servers, can ban you for whatever the hell they feel like tongue.gif.
First off, games can't send information about your hardware without your authorization—it would be a breach of the privacy policy—so there's no way for them to know what mouse you use if you don't want them to. Software is another story.

Second, as a former GM myself (LotRO), I can assure you they can't ban people for whatever they feel like. Game developers have strict terms of service outlining what a user may get suspended or banned for, and a GM can get fired for gross misconduct if the customer escalates and it's deemed the GM is in the wrong.

If you meant personal server admins, that's a moot point. They're not an official authority and have no power outside their own server (which you can always leave and join another). Not to mention they'll have no clue what hardware or software you run unless you tell them.
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Also I used to have a mouse that had programmable macros. This meant no software was running one you programmed the mouse- you could even set it up to do what you wanted on a different PC. So, it can make a difference what mouse you have.
Whether the macro software is internal or external to the mouse is, again, moot. There is portable macro software you can carry with you on a flash drive and use your settings anywhere you like, so it's virtually the same thing.
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First off, games can't send information about your hardware without your authorization—it would be a breach of the privacy policy—so there's no way for them to know what mouse you use if you don't want them to. Software is another story.

Second, as a former GM myself (LotRO), I can assure you they can't ban people for whatever they feel like. Game developers have strict terms of service outlining what a user may get suspended or banned for, and a GM can get fired for gross misconduct if the customer escalates and it's deemed the GM is in the wrong.

If you meant personal server admins, that's a moot point. They're not an official authority and have no power outside their own server (which you can always leave and join another). Not to mention they'll have no clue what hardware or software you run unless you tell them.
Whether the macro software is internal or external to the mouse is, again, moot. There is portable macro software you can carry with you on a flash drive and use your settings anywhere you like, so it's virtually the same thing.

I know for a solid fact Blizzard scans what software you're currently running, I'm sure many other companies do too. I think you've been misinformed on that point.

Anyways that is a moot point, they don't have to scan your hardware or software to ban for actions. Fire X times in 1ms, then script kicks/bans. Pretty simple and effective. To use Blizzard as another example, they don't just ban for running a hack in memory, they also ban for certain (bot) behaviors, regardless of not detecting the bot at all.

Whether you will get banned for using a macro completely depends on the situation, and is probably unlikely in most cases. However you COULD be banned for macros in many cases.
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he my friend was using it to fire a pistol semi fast as fast as he could fire if he where clicking the mouse button to fire.

THAT IS CHEATING hes "firing" faster than a human can do it.. That gives him the upper hand and thats, again, cheating plain and simple
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I know for a solid fact Blizzard scans what software you're currently running, I'm sure many other companies do too. I think you've been misinformed on that point.

Anyways that is a moot point, they don't have to scan your hardware or software to ban for actions. Fire X times in 1ms, then script kicks/bans. Pretty simple and effective. To use Blizzard as another example, they don't just ban for running a hack in memory, they also ban for certain (bot) behaviors, regardless of not detecting the bot at all.

Whether you will get banned for using a macro completely depends on the situation, and is probably unlikely in most cases. However you COULD be banned for macros in many cases.

A lot of hardware now stores the macros on the device itself rather than relying on software on your PC. Scanning the software on your PC won't do diddly. And even if they did scan for additional software it's just the general software for the mouse (Logitech Gaming Software for example).
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I know for a solid fact Blizzard scans what software you're currently running, I'm sure many other companies do too. I think you've been misinformed on that point.
Straw man argument 1. If you read my post carefully, you'll notice that's actually what I said. Indeed, MMORPGs especially can detect third party software and act accordingly.
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Anyways that is a moot point, they don't have to scan your hardware or software to ban for actions. Fire X times in 1ms, then script kicks/bans. Pretty simple and effective. To use Blizzard as another example, they don't just ban for running a hack in memory, they also ban for certain (bot) behaviors, regardless of not detecting the bot at all.
Straw man argument 2. The discussion is about whether or not you can get banned for using a specific mouse—I never said anything about getting banned for macros or scripts.
post #29 of 65
I can only think about fighting games. Think if you binded the strongest and most complex combo to one simple button. It wouldn't even be fun.
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macro in fps dont really do anything good sometimes it does but it depends on the fps game most of time. Macros are mostly useful in mmo games which alot of people use to key bind on there nagas and stuf
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