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Companies that aren't public, and don't run off of the greed of shareholders:
CaseLabs
Little Devil
NZXT
Parvum
Monsoon
MDPCX
SideWinder Computers
FrozenCPU
PErformance PCs
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XSPC
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Walk-N-Sync
Slysoft
2D Boy
Little Anita's (best Breakfast burritos in Colorado.)
Team Meat

I buy a lot from small companies, and even large companies that aren't public. I'm willing to pay what something is worth. I don't shop at Walmart, Best Buy, and try to avoid Target unless it's something I can only get from them since I refuse to buy from Walmart. Please, point your finger elsewhere.

Heh, you can't really count too many of those. If you want to get into naming little tiny companies and mom and pop shops the list would go on and on, but none of them provide a service or product to many people. The only Private company I can think of that works on the publicly traded companies' level would be Valve.
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OK people let's play a game...name 10 private companies that sell or make your favorite products and then name 10 public ones...go.

It's sad to see people demonize the very markets that both directly and indirectly make their lives "better" and yet here it is. The situations like what you describe would not matter if the investors/consumers valued control or influence in a public company...why? Because if they did they wouldn't invest in/buy from a public company that acts like you all describe. But you all don't value those "moral/ethics" as much as you doing getting more consumption for cheaper. What is so hard for people to realize the markets are (mostly) fine...it's that people are their own worse enemy. Everyone continues a self fulfilling prophecy and then says the system is wrong when it's their own actions within the system. Which do you invest in? The Apple with limited ethics and shady off shore accounting/likely off balance-sheet accounting which allows it to just grow like clockwork or the company that plays by the book and even has all the ethics you say you want out of a company but can't seem to grow consistently? Vote with your dollars and the market corrects to such actions. It's not complicated but people think it is.

Bosch (Public enemy nr1, gives away their profits to charitable causes....)
Ikea
Saudi Oil (ok not a favourite but when it comes to toppling the other (the one that is no more)super power they're in the top, besides they keep my car running.)
Del Monte (I hate pineapples, but orange juice in the morning is nice)
Newegg (Never used it but it seems to make other people happy)
Volvo PV
Apoteket (state owned pharmacies run as a company, just wonderful)

Got bored after that, most people, including me assume that companies are public if they are of some size.

The market as in the textbook version is said to rectify all mistakes, that doesn't work when the world is filled with bailouts, tolls and other lifesupport. As proven by the last few years, voting with your dollar or even voting at all doesn't topple insolvent companies bordering on failure. The self fullfilling prophecy isn't so much peoples choices or the pensionfund scheme they pay into it but once a public company attracts enough attention it will attract the large lumbering hulks of the industry, trying to make it more profitable with the same recipe they always use; Streamlining it, mimicing other companies and well after two quarterly reports "good guys inc" has become "Yet another corporate machine inc"

Not all public companies are evil cabals (been playing a lot of Deus Ex) but very few of them are people you want to invite to your home.
 
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I've been talking about this with friends, and my hope is that Dell uses this opportunity to become the IBM of the small and medium business world. They've made some interesting purchases lately, and using the KACE deployment system is pretty effective at work. Dell has never done too well in the consumer electronics segment, and selling consumer desktops/latops is not a high margin area for them. Although with Microsoft being involved, my fear is they're gonna push further with the all-in-ones and tablets that is Microsoft's current vision.
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I think what I'm most curious about is if this will spark other companies to either remain private or to transition from public to private. If Dell manages to use this to set the company in the right direction others could follow.
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OK people let's play a game...name 10 private companies that sell or make your favorite products and then name 10 public ones...go.

It's sad to see people demonize the very markets that both directly and indirectly make their lives "better" and yet here it is. The situations like what you describe would not matter if the investors/consumers valued control or influence in a public company...why? Because if they did they wouldn't invest in/buy from a public company that acts like you all describe. But you all don't value those "moral/ethics" as much as you doing getting more consumption for cheaper. What is so hard for people to realize the markets are (mostly) fine...it's that people are their own worse enemy. Everyone continues a self fulfilling prophecy and then says the system is wrong when it's their own actions within the system. Which do you invest in? The Apple with limited ethics and shady off shore accounting/likely off balance-sheet accounting which allows it to just grow like clockwork or the company that plays by the book and even has all the ethics you say you want out of a company but can't seem to grow consistently? Vote with your dollars and the market corrects to such actions. It's not complicated but people think it is.

Mars: Milky Way, Snickers, M&Ms, or anything else anyone? I'd love some Skittles or Starburst right about now.
Publix: They certainly don't cater to the end-user.
Cox Enterprises.... neither do they....
Toys 'R' Us doesn't either....
and certainly not Enterprise.....
/sarcasm

Look, there's plenty more... Don't just make asumptions about people without dowing your own homework....
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And as to the question of if this will help Dell in the end... who knows. It certainly worked for Burger King a few years back.
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I think what I'm most curious about is if this will spark other companies to either remain private or to transition from public to private. If Dell manages to use this to set the company in the right direction others could follow.
I heard best buy was considering going private, to restructure itself properly and close all the superfluous boxes they put up on every mall strip.
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OK people let's play a game...name 10 private companies that sell or make your favorite products and then name 10 public ones...go.

It's sad to see people demonize the very markets that both directly and indirectly make their lives "better" and yet here it is. The situations like what you describe would not matter if the investors/consumers valued control or influence in a public company...why? Because if they did they wouldn't invest in/buy from a public company that acts like you all describe. But you all don't value those "moral/ethics" as much as you doing getting more consumption for cheaper. What is so hard for people to realize the markets are (mostly) fine...it's that people are their own worse enemy. Everyone continues a self fulfilling prophecy and then says the system is wrong when it's their own actions within the system. Which do you invest in? The Apple with limited ethics and shady off shore accounting/likely off balance-sheet accounting which allows it to just grow like clockwork or the company that plays by the book and even has all the ethics you say you want out of a company but can't seem to grow consistently? Vote with your dollars and the market corrects to such actions. It's not complicated but people think it is.


lets play a game. You trying not to be so smug while listening to those that know more than you do about such things. I'm not referring to me but to forbes
 
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Well I'll take this as good news. Maybe now dell wont make sub-par products anymore.
I still have nightmares about my mothers old dell dimension....thing. axesmiley.png
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Mars: Milky Way, Snickers, M&Ms, or anything else anyone? I'd love some Skittles or Starburst right about now.
Publix: They certainly don't cater to the end-user.
Cox Enterprises.... neither do they....
Toys 'R' Us doesn't either....
and certainly not Enterprise.....
/sarcasm

Look, there's plenty more... Don't just make asumptions about people without dowing your own homework....

I never made assumptions but everyone else has. IE "Public = greedy, evil, etc". Neither public or private means a company is going to be "evil" or "good". Private companies can do a lot more "evil" without you knowing about it...but...they have to weigh the odds of losing everything they personally own (private companies usually don't separate liability from the owners) if caught.

And every company "cares about the end-user". Without end-users, customers they would not have profits. So they do have to be responsive to the consumer. But the consumer needs to be more than just willing to consume what is put out there or advertised. But for big companies the problem is that the bigger you get the more likely you become the target of death by a thousand thieves. With what I know about retail stores I'm surprised they're still around considering how powerless they are for the most part to stop people from shoplifting. Or those lovely returns for refunds and so on...they become cuts that bleed money. When you get big enough having 2k per day per store being likely to walk out that becomes material. Or how about those lovely frivolous lawsuits (I know it's old but it's perfect) like the McDonalds coffee one? All of this adds up and creates an environment in which the business has to not only spend money being aware of possible things that can cost it dearly but also all regulations and compliance and so on.
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lets play a game. You trying not to be so smug while listening to those that know more than you do about such things. I'm not referring to me but to forbes

I'm not being smug. But people are sure testy when you test their blindness. Again public or private really doesn't matter on whether that makes a business evil or not because the whole point for either is to make money (unless it's a non-profit and even there exist plenty of sneaky little schemes).

Dell going private means nothing more than a restructuring move. There's plenty of other reasons to do it beyond just when a company is going under.

Geez. If everyone is against public companies then they should keep their money out of the stock market and not buy from them.
     
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4GBs of Adata 1333 Kingston HyperX 3k 120GB WD Caviar Black 500GB Hitachi Deskstar 1TB 
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LG 8X BDR (WHL08S20) Cooler Master Hyper 212+ Kubuntu x64 Windows 7 x64 
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Bodhi Linux x64 Acer G215H (1920x1080) Seasonic 520 HAF912 
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N450 1.8GHz AC and 1.66GHz batt ASUS proprietary for 1001P GMA3150 (can play bluray now!?) 1GB DDR2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSOS
160GB LGLHDLBDRE32X Bodhi Linux Fedora LXDE 
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Kubuntu SLAX 1280x600 + Dell 15inch Excellent! 
PowerCase
6 cells=6-12hrs and a charger 1001P MU17 Black 
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