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I never made assumptions but everyone else has. IE "Public = greedy, evil, etc". Neither public or private means a company is going to be "evil" or "good". Private companies can do a lot more "evil" without you knowing about it...but...they have to weigh the odds of losing everything they personally own (private companies usually don't separate liability from the owners) if caught.

And every company "cares about the end-user". Without end-users, customers they would not have profits. So they do have to be responsive to the consumer. But the consumer needs to be more than just willing to consume what is put out there or advertised. But for big companies the problem is that the bigger you get the more likely you become the target of death by a thousand thieves. With what I know about retail stores I'm surprised they're still around considering how powerless they are for the most part to stop people from shoplifting. Or those lovely returns for refunds and so on...they become cuts that bleed money. When you get big enough having 2k per day per store being likely to walk out that becomes material. Or how about those lovely frivolous lawsuits (I know it's old but it's perfect) like the McDonalds coffee one? All of this adds up and creates an environment in which the business has to not only spend money being aware of possible things that can cost it dearly but also all regulations and compliance and so on.
I'm not being smug. But people are sure testy when you test their blindness. Again public or private really doesn't matter on whether that makes a business evil or not because the whole point for either is to make money (unless it's a non-profit and even there exist plenty of sneaky little schemes).

Dell going private means nothing more than a restructuring move. There's plenty of other reasons to do it beyond just when a company is going under.

Geez. If everyone is against public companies then they should keep their money out of the stock market and not buy from them.

quoting myself from an earlier thread on the subject
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1. Do a bad job
2. Sell of assets
3. Shareholders pleased

1. Do a good job (get good rep)
2. Do it worse, same pricing
3 Profit

Shareholders demands aren't always what i would call sane. Since many companies are owned by invest groups related to pension funds The main goal of the shareholders isn't to make lots of money but to do marginally better than inflation.
Besides a public evaluation of your stock doesn't mean that it's actually your stock evaluated. In this postmodern insanity the stock evaluation will most likely be based on arbitrary insanity along with the unrelated assesment of bonkers journalist. For example:

Company A is doing good, it provides necessary equipment and repairs for basic industry.
Company B an upcomer in a new market has a cool ceo with absolutely no skills what so ever (not apple). "Experts" claim that this product will replace everything! EVERYTHING! EVERYTHING:mad:
(It won't)
Company A needs to loan a 100 million bucks (Not something that would raise anyones eyes.)
Investors starts selling off their stock in company A, To buy into in Company B and those that follows
The share value of company A plummets (people are selling not buying)
The cost of the loan they need increase as company value plummets. They're still going strong though. They decide to take that loan since they need it to upgrade some machinery even if it costs more than projected.
Sales are still the same but they're making less money and people lose their job. (Because shareholders wants the revenue)

But you cans till get it a helluva lot worse.
Public companies value are directly linked to the value of investors, If let's say "N64 Genesis 16bit Fund" (Candy to whoever figures it out) holds the majority in several companies and a few of them aren't doing as good as they should, the value of "N64 Genesis 16bit Fund" will suffer, so in a moment of drunken stupidity the CEO of "N64 Genesis 16bit Fund" will issue a "N64 Genesis 16bit Fund Bull" to increase profits. Since most people aren't imaginary underpants gnome they will replace the ? in the equation with some effort to increase profitability, If the problem of the lost "money" cannot be solved within the failing companies, every assets will have to do cutbacks in order to increase parent company profits.

It's my general assesment of todays world that most parent companies have lost grips on capitalism, most likely due to being public. The actual ups and downs in the market are replaced with ups and cries for welfare when the dip comes. And if theres no welfare check to get they are more intent on keeping figures looking good than their actually core values: Producing stuff. Ride it out instead, like a real boss.

It's not about fictional morlaity, it's all in the real world.
 
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quoting myself from an earlier thread on the subject
It's not about fictional morlaity, it's all in the real world.

So wise one what is your master plan then? (Now I'm being smug). No public companies because retirees don't want to manage their own money and investment firms try to make profits? You assume you can create a system that will prevent the irrationality (or possibly rationality) of people from scenarios like your (atrocious readability) one?

I could tear into your simplistic example if you like...for instance if everyone wants into company B then the price of company B most rise in response. There's only a finite amount of shares in company B and so to get a share of company B people had to pay enough to get someone that already had a share to sell. Why would that person sell out? Are they stupid? Maybe they know/think the stock will plummet tomorrow? Do they know that trading on (though hard to prove) insider information is illegal (equaling time and money)? And then what do they do with the money that the gained selling B to someone else? Maybe they stick it in A because while A is having a tough quarter/year/etc...they are as you explained a provider of material for basic business/industry. This would make them attractive as a stable stock to hold for a long term (assuming you're simplistic example) which would mean any competent CFO needs to change the way that stock is viewed. Maybe it's time to look towards dividends to keep shareholders? Either way..the person that sold off B now has likely more money than they did before which means they can use it for other endeavors and make the entire economy better or "worse" off. Hell, they could sit on it in their nice bank account but guess what...that isn't hurting the economy (it's not helping as much as other uses though) because the bank now has more assets that increase it's ability to lend. There is far more complexity making the world "better off" but that doesn't sell subscriptions or advertising space on TV. People are the problem of people.

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Not to throw YET another Linux this type of thing but..

Didn't Dell or someone say they would like to start adding Linux as an option on online checkout but there was a problem because of something (I suspect because they are a public business)? Excuse my knowledge.
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Not to throw YET another Linux this type of thing but..

Didn't Dell or someone say they would like to start adding Linux as an option on online checkout but there was a problem because of something (I suspect because they are a public business)? Excuse my knowledge.

That would make no sense. Anyone can offer to sell hardware with Linux public or private. I think it was likely that the average joe AKA the public wouldn't buy it because "it's too hard to change" and so on. Also, I'm sure there was a contract with MS to consider as I have no idea why they charged more for their Linux versions of some of the "business" laptops they had.
     
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I like this move. We may finally see some good things from Dell. Private is the way to go if you want to have a quality product these days. Investors put too much pressure on making record profits every year, and in this economy, that just not going to happen.
I agree, maybe we'll get to see Alienware that isn't over priced or overpriced mid grade BS.
 
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Not to throw YET another Linux this type of thing but..

Didn't Dell or someone say they would like to start adding Linux as an option on online checkout but there was a problem because of something (I suspect because they are a public business)? Excuse my knowledge.

I know I've asked Dell to sell me a laptop linux on it or else no operating system at all and they wouldn't do it because of support reasons. It would have basically nullified my warranty.
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Ultrasharp must stay. The S series monitors are actually pretty good for something of their price. The S2440L did pretty well in a TFTCentral review.
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Wow, didn't see that coming but it's good for them. So much public pressure off their backs and they can refocus on making better quality things. Also love their monitors though so hope those survive.
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So wise one what is your master plan then? (Now I'm being smug). No public companies because retirees don't want to manage their own money and investment firms try to make profits? You assume you can create a system that will prevent the irrationality (or possibly rationality) of people from scenarios like your (atrocious readability) one?

I could tear into your simplistic example if you like...for instance if everyone wants into company B then the price of company B most rise in response. There's only a finite amount of shares in company B and so to get a share of company B people had to pay enough to get someone that already had a share to sell. Why would that person sell out? Are they stupid? Maybe they know/think the stock will plummet tomorrow? Do they know that trading on (though hard to prove) insider information is illegal (equaling time and money)? And then what do they do with the money that the gained selling B to someone else? Maybe they stick it in A because while A is having a tough quarter/year/etc...they are as you explained a provider of material for basic business/industry. This would make them attractive as a stable stock to hold for a long term (assuming you're simplistic example) which would mean any competent CFO needs to change the way that stock is viewed. Maybe it's time to look towards dividends to keep shareholders? Either way..the person that sold off B now has likely more money than they did before which means they can use it for other endeavors and make the entire economy better or "worse" off. Hell, they could sit on it in their nice bank account but guess what...that isn't hurting the economy (it's not helping as much as other uses though) because the bank now has more assets that increase it's ability to lend. There is far more complexity making the world "better off" but that doesn't sell subscriptions or advertising space on TV. People are the problem of people.

Anything else?

Facebook answers most of your questions regarding who will sell or not.
Insider trading law does not prevent damage done.
People are often the root of "people" problem. But it's generally frowned upon to get rid of people as preventive measure.
Stable stock... look at the 80's. Fun times for all eh?
Increased personal/corporate solvency might increase banks lending ability but then we're talking about Scrooge Mcduck numbers, unless it's a frontier bank in the wild west. Banks create money, solvency is second to revenue; We all know this, it's basic unregulated Fiat crackpottery 101.

Yes throughout my comment i stated on several occassions that I hold the key to the problems of the world. In fact I'm pretty sure that my shining palace and formal title of philospher king makes that clear to everyone. My crown is made from solid knowitallium and my coat is wowen by the Norns. Tremble now for i will share my wisdom with ye blabbering fools.

Again as I stated, I talked about companies with assets and production facilites. There is no point at all for a company who has a real bottom line value composed of it's assets to compete with companies whose value is a game of "say the highest number without giggling" in a market that has finite resources.

In response to your personal attack i will simply say this: Idontcareabo..utyour/thynewiew...point. (On purpose)
 
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post

Private companies can focus better especially for long-term goals and do not have to appease investors quarter-to-quarter.

Yes would also assume that going private could be a good thing ...and their monitors are all that matter at the moment tongue.gif

Don't forget the quality of their customer service for laptops!
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