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Hi all, I'm looking for a new drive (or possibly 2 for RAID) for video editing. I need some requirements for these drives:
-Needs to be a hard drive, I don't want an SSD
-Needs to be able to write at a constant rate for 1080p video recording (50-100 MB/ps+)
-I'd like to keep the total price under $100
-500 GB is what I'd want for space

I was thinking of getting 2 Barracuda's, or WD equivalent of that and putting them in a RAID 0 so it's super speedy. Even though the data wouldn't be backed up, losing video files isn't devastating for me.

Would it be an alright idea to get 2 for a RAID 0, or a better idea to just get a fast drive like a Velocoraptor? I currently have an old Dell lying around with a 500 GB WD Caviar Blue from 2011, so it's a nice drive, but have no use for it. Would it be another decent idea to buy another exact same drive as that, and put them in RAID 0, so then I'd have 1 TB space?
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I would be looking for a couple of used 500GB-750GB used WD Caviar blacks or RE4s. They are going to give you the best 7200 rpm performance at those HDD sizes. You can easily get 2 from the OCN marketplace (blacks show up often) or ebay for $100.

There are a couple 750s on ebay right now:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sop=15&_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=western+digital+caviar+black&rt=nc&LH_BIN=1

Just make sure they are still under warranty, Blacks and RE's come with a 5 year warranty.

You can also get a couple 500GB RE4s on ebay for $100 right now as well.
Edited by UsedPaperclip - 2/5/13 at 2:35pm
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I would be looking for a couple of used 500GB-750GB used WD Caviar blacks or RE4s. They are going to give you the best 7200 rpm performance at those HDD sizes. You can easily get 2 from the OCN marketplace (blacks show up often) or ebay for $100.

There are a couple 750s on ebay right now:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sop=15&_from=R40&_sacat=0&_nkw=western+digital+caviar+black&rt=nc&LH_BIN=1

Just make sure they are still under warranty, Blacks and RE's come with a 5 year warranty.

You can also get a couple 500GB RE4s on ebay for $100 right now as well.
Thanks for the quick reply! I'm kind of iffy buying from eBay, so I don't think I'll look there much, but OCN is a possibility.

So you say Caviar Blacks or RE4 have the best performance? I'll have to see benchmarks on them to see what kind of speeds they get.

+Rep for your help!
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Here is a fun link for you with a ton of HDD reivews

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviewdb/Harddisks/Western-Digital/

Keep in mind that not all reviewers take small file read and writes into consideration which is actually a very useful benchmark but your you, you will be focusing more on large read and writes if you're only doing video.

Also, eBay has buyer protection as well as paypal to back you up, it's pretty safe these days to buy off there, just make sure its under warranty and also ask the seller asking if it has ever been taken apart. Just make sure to keep the messages that are sent from them.
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For your usage you want the new 1TB-platter Seagates. While they are not the fastest drives out there (and not the most reliable), they certainly have the most sequential performance.

Here's my 3TB (currently used for Steam games):

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It's ideal for video work...

I'm not sure what the performance dip is at the very start of the drive, but 186MB/sec avg is impressive compared to any 500GB drive that I know of.

For other use (OS, Apps, games, etc.) I would likely choose a WD Black or Blue - but in my case I have 1.2TB of Steam games, so the 3TB Seagate made sense economically. thumb.gif
     
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For your usage you want the new 1TB-platter Seagates. While they are not the fastest drives out there (and not the most reliable), they certainly have the most sequential performance.

Here's my 3TB (currently used for Steam games): Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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It's ideal for video work...

I'm not sure what the performance dip is at the very start of the drive, but 186MB/sec avg is impressive compared to any 500GB drive that I know of.

For other use (OS, Apps, games, etc.) I would likely choose a WD Black or Blue - but in my case I have 1.2TB of Steam games, so the 3TB Seagate made sense economically. thumb.gif
Do those Seagates have TLER? Not saying he needs RAID 0 but if he really wants it, he should stay away if thats the case.
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Getting another identical Caviar Black would be your best bet and should be well within your $100 budget. It's always best to use drives that are as identical as possible when configuring a RAID . As you already have a 500GB Caviar Blue, it's be best to get another one of these because 2x 500GB HDDs will give you 1TB of available space in RAID 0. It's best to use drives of identical capacities when setting up RAID 0 because the total available space consists of the total capacity of all the drives in the array divided by the number of drives in the array. So if you use 2 drives of different sizes such as a 500GB and a 320GB, your available space will be 500GB+320GB=840GB/2 drives =410GB. So you lose 90GB compared to using 2x 500GB drives, i.e. 500GB+500GB=1TB/2 drives=500GB.

Another reason it's best to use identical drives is that it's best to use drives that have the same mechanical characteristics too, most HDDs are 7200rpm while Velociraptors are rated at 10,000rpm and probably wouldn't perform at their best in an array with a 7200rpm drive. To get the best results from Velociraptors it would be best to use 2 of them, and that would likely take you over budget. So I
I'd definitely say that another Caviar Black would be your best option and would be ideal for video recording and any other HDD intensive tasks. WD drives seem to work quite well in RAID arrays, I'm getting 180MB/Sec from 2 of the cheaper Caviar Blues in RAID 0.
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Getting another identical Caviar Black would be your best bet and should be well within your $100 budget. It's always best to use drives that are as identical as possible when configuring a RAID array. As you already have a 500GB Caviar Blue, it's be best to get another one of these because 2x 500GB HDDs will give you 1TB of available space in a RAID 0 array. It's best to use drives of identical capacities when setting up a RAID 0 array, because the total available space consists of the total capacity of all the drives in the array divided by the number of drives in the array. So if you use 2 drives of different sizes such as a 500GB and a 320GB, your available space will be 500GB+320GB=840GB/2 drives =410GB. So you lose 90GB compared to using 2x 500GB drives, i.e. 500GB+500GB=1TB/2 drives=500GB.
Another reason it's best to use identical drives is that it's best to use drives that have the same mechanical characteristics too, most HDDs are 7200rpm while Velociraptors are rated at 10,000rpm and probably wouldn't perform at their best in an array with a 7200rpm drive. To get the best results from Velociraptors it would be best to use 2 of them, and that would likely take you over budget. So I
I'd definitely say that another Caviar Black would be your best option and would be ideal for video recording and any other HDD intensive tasks. WD drives seem to work quite well in RAID arrays, I'm getting 180MB/Sec from 2 of the cheaper Caviar Blues in a RAID 0 array.
Holy text....

You're incorrect about RAID0 drive sizes. You're kind of all over the place in that post, not sure where you get the "Divided by 2" information from.

RAID 0 combines the size of all drives, ie. 2x 500GB drives = 1TB or 3x 500Gb drives = 1.5TB. If you have a 500GB drive and a 250GB drive in RAID 0, the total would be 500GB because the 500GB would be downsized to match the 250GB drive. Basically the smallest drive in the Array sets the size for all other drives if you mix and match, which you shouldn't.

What you are explaining is RAID 1 which mirrors the drives so you have 2 exact copies, which is why you only get the size of 1 drive.

Raid 5 takes 1 drive away storage wise. 3x 500GB drives = 1TB in RAID 5.

http://www.ibeast.com/content/tools/RaidCalc/RaidCalc.asp
http://www.synology.com/support/RAID_calculator.php
Edited by UsedPaperclip - 2/5/13 at 4:47pm
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Do those Seagates have TLER? Not saying he needs RAID 0 but if he really wants it, he should stay away if thats the case.
Nah, from what I've heard they're really dumb and can drop from RAID arrays. Mind you, software RAID works perfect. (So anything Linux based should be fine - just not motherboard RAID under Windows... there's a chance one day you'll wake up and find your array broken.)

Note: Drives drop from arrays when they have a problem. TLER (Time Limited Error Recovery) determines how long they can lockup, trying to solve that problem. An array dropout occurs when the drive takes too long. Array dropouts do not occur on 100% healthy drives, but unfortunately they always occur before you notice an actual problem. (Bad sectors, etc.) A dropout would be the very first sign that a drive is degrading - many drives can last months or years after it first occurs, but most should be relegated to non-RAID use after a dropout.
     
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If you can watch for sales, you may be able to get 2 WD10EZEX 1TB drives for $60 a piece. It's a bit over your budget but two of those in RAID0 would be perfect for video editing, with sequential speeds of 300MBs or more. If you were to short-stroke them to 500GB each, you would have one of the fastest possible 2-drive RAID0 arrays possible for relatively little money (300MBs minimum).
   
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2x MCP35X + Heatsinks/80x15mm Fan XSPC EX420 Alphacool NeXXos UT60 240 6x Bgears Blasters 140mm 1800rpm Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
4x Koolance 120x25mm 2600rpm Fans Comp/Rotary Fittings (BP/XSPC/Monsoon) Primoflex Pro LRT - White (1/2x3/4) Windows 7 Professional 64bit  
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
Dell P2210Hb 21.5" 1920x1080p Viewsonic VA2012WB 20.1" LCD 1680x1050 Dell U3014 Eizo 27" 1440p 10bit RGB-LED Backlit AH-IPS Panel 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
55" LG HDTV (their top 2014 model) Ducky Mechanical (Browns) NZXT HALE90 850W + 8 blown-up AX1200/i's NZXT Switch 810 (White) 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
R.A.T.3 + MX510 My Desk GRADO RS1i Headphones Grado PS1000 Headphones 
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Bitfenix Hydra Pro Fan Controller 5ch 30W/ch Bitfenix Alchemy Individually-Sleeved Extension... NZXT Individually-Sleeved Front Panel Wires (Bl... Phobya Sleeved 1x3pin-to-4x3pin Fan Splitter 
OtherOtherOther
Sleeved Wires w Paracord myself (no Heatshrink) Custom Front and Top Panels w HexxMesh *In Prog... Working on Custom Pedestal Prototype 
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i7 3930K @ 4.92Ghz Asus Rampage 4 Extreme EVGA GTX670 FTW 2GB  EVGA GTX780Ti Classified K|ngp|n Edition @ 1483... 
GraphicsRAMHard DriveHard Drive
EVGA GTX780Ti Classified K|ngp|n Edition @ 1483... 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws-Z @ DDR3-2248 9-10-9-26 1T Samsung 830 256GB SSD WD10EZEX 1TB HDD 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveHard Drive
WD10EALX 1TB HDD Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 1TB WD3200AAKS 320GB HDD WD5000HHTZ 10krpm 500GB VelociRaptor 
Optical DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
LG/Hitachi Slim DVD-R/W Custom MB-Backside VRM-sinks (Copper) 3x NZXT RF-FX140LB 1-2krpm 98.3CFM Case Fans 2x Corsair SP120-PE Case Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Heatkiller GTX680 "Hole Edition" Block + Backplate XSPC Single-Bay Res (Single 5.25 bay) EK Multioption Res X2 - Advanced 150 DD "Fill-Port Res" + Fill-Port Fitting (Red) 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
2x MCP35X + Heatsinks/80x15mm Fan XSPC EX420 Alphacool NeXXos UT60 240 6x Bgears Blasters 140mm 1800rpm Fans 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
4x Koolance 120x25mm 2600rpm Fans Comp/Rotary Fittings (BP/XSPC/Monsoon) Primoflex Pro LRT - White (1/2x3/4) Windows 7 Professional 64bit  
MonitorMonitorMonitorMonitor
Dell P2210Hb 21.5" 1920x1080p Viewsonic VA2012WB 20.1" LCD 1680x1050 Dell U3014 Eizo 27" 1440p 10bit RGB-LED Backlit AH-IPS Panel 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
55" LG HDTV (their top 2014 model) Ducky Mechanical (Browns) NZXT HALE90 850W + 8 blown-up AX1200/i's NZXT Switch 810 (White) 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
R.A.T.3 + MX510 My Desk GRADO RS1i Headphones Grado PS1000 Headphones 
OtherOtherOtherOther
Bitfenix Hydra Pro Fan Controller 5ch 30W/ch Bitfenix Alchemy Individually-Sleeved Extension... NZXT Individually-Sleeved Front Panel Wires (Bl... Phobya Sleeved 1x3pin-to-4x3pin Fan Splitter 
OtherOtherOther
Sleeved Wires w Paracord myself (no Heatshrink) Custom Front and Top Panels w HexxMesh *In Prog... Working on Custom Pedestal Prototype 
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