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Hello all! As the title states I am going to attempt Water cooling for my next build. I plan on overclocking it a little bit, but nothing extreme. I chose to go WC because 1) I've never done it before. 2) I've read its much much quieter than 20 fans blaring. 3) Keeps PC cooler. 4) I like trying new things! biggrin.gif So, in order for anyone on this forum to help me, I assume you will need to know what I plan on cooling and what components I plan on getting.

I am looking to cool the CPU, 2x GPU's and possibly ram / Mobo. Since i don't plan doing anything extreme, i suppose that I don't need to cool the Mobo or Ram?

Components: EVGA SuperClocked GeForce GTX 680 2GB (SLI)
ASUS LGA 2011 Intel X79
Intel Core i7-3930K Sandy Bridge-E 3.2GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 2011
CORSAIR Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) In case you recommend cooling the RAM OR
CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) just not the LP /shrug
I'm kind of stuck at who i should get my ram from /shrug

For room purposes, ill link case i plan on using.
AZZA Genesis 9000
Since those are the components that need to be kept cool, i figure that is all i need to list.
What I am trying to get out of posting here for help is, Which components do I need to cool this PC? Do i need to even cool the mobo and ram if im not doing anything extreme? How do you cool 2 gpu's? What would you do? Are the components i picked out even worth cooling? (i think so). I would like not to spend a ton of money, but i know cooling 2 gpu's will run a few extra pennies.

Thank you for taking the time to read my post. I would like to thank everyone ahead of time for any expertise they can offer.
Also, all i will be using thet PC for is gaming, if that helps at all. Be gentle.

Thanks,
Jim
post #2 of 36
Don't bother WCing anything but CPU/GPU. The rest will be fine with adequate case cooling.

Find some stickies to read. Spend a few weeks reading and asking questions about what you don't understand.

For a start... Skinnee Labs
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Welcome to the water-cooling alliance thumb.gif
First I would like to start this by saying for a extra 20$ are so you can get this case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147157
whitch is great for air cooling and water-cooling biggrin.gif
can put 480 rad at the top and a 120 at back and 120 at bottom and a 280 in front (if drive cadge was removed)

It is a great case and very well made! also has 10 pci slots and hot-swap on top ! and also can put x9 120mm fans on side panel but if you won't a window it is a simple 30$ task !

so as for your questions no you do not need to water-cool the mobo and ram if not doing anything extreme at all so a I would just do the processor and graphics card's
my two choices would be ether a
EK supremacy water-block
or
Swiftech APOGEE
as those are the best 2 blocks on the market today and the best bang for the buck!
and yes your componets deserve the best of cooling thumb.gif


and for the gpu's you would buy the block's and remove the old fan cooler from the cards and apply thermal type and paste on the card and install them with all the hardware that comes with the blocks and once they are in the pc you can link them together a few ways
1- cristal link this is a plastic tube and 2 fittings that compress it in
2- use regular fittings and tubing (this is a hard task and sometimes the fittings do not fit next to each-other)

and for the gpu's i suggest using heat-killer are EK blocks as they look nice and if wan't it to look better pick up the back-plates ! thumb.gif

-ROG
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Ok, that's a great case for water cooling. If it looked a little more to my taste style wise I would totally get one.
Starting out I would suggest not worrying about cooling the motherboard and RAM ... it just adds complexity for little benefit. Just focus on your main components.

The EVGA SuperClocked GeForce GTX 680 2GB is a reference PCB design so any normal 680 waterblock will fit it, there are many options. It's mainly a matter of what design appeals to you.
Same with the CPU ... just get one that has 2011 socket compatibility, but that should be most of the ones you can buy.

I would say just get yourself a nice thick 480mm rad for the top and some decent fans like SP120 / Gentle Typhoon etc
You will need to measure how much room you have in the top of the case between the roof and the motherboard so you know how thick a radiator you can fit with fans attached. The Alphacool UT60 rads are very popular at the moment and are a great buy but once again any decent full size rad will do nicely.

For a water pump you can choose to mount it in the 5 1/4 bays or elsewhere in the case. I can recommend a D5 type pump (Koolance PMP450, Swiftech MCP655) because they are nice and quiet but the 355 type pumps are just as effective.
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Welcome to the forum! grouphug.gif

Before I go any further I feel it only fair to warn you - water cooling is highly addictive. There is no known cure.


Moving on, no there is no real need to cool your mobo / ram. Generally they run cool enough anyway so the only reason would be for extreme overclocking or looks. Most people do it for the looks.

RAM - have a look at the Samsung RAM (there is a thread about it somewhere here) or get some Corsair / G Skill / Patriot, you really can't go all that wrong with RAM now.

Components you will need are:

CPU block

Lots of choices, all perform very similarly. The XSPC Raystorm is often reccomended (and very good) however there are other options out there too. Have a read of Martin's block tests to get an idea of which ones to look at.

GPU blocks

Two main choices, full cover or GPU only.

Full cover will cool all the components on the board including the vreg which can help a lot. However they are expensive and GPU specific.

GPU only blocks are cheaper and universal - one size really does fit all. However they don't cool the vreg so additional heasinks and fans are required.

Most GPU blocks perform on a par with each other, good choices are EK, Koolance, XSPC and Heatkiller.

Radiator(s)

Your choice of radiator should depend on the type of fans you want to run, the space you have available and your budget. A radiator that does well with high speed fans will not necessarily do as well as a different radiator with low speed fans.

Have a read of Martin's radiator summary to get an idea of which one to look at.

As for sizing, I am of the opinion that you should get as much radiator as you can fit in your case, although a general rule of thumb is one 120mm plus a 120mm per component.


Pump

Really it comes down to two main choices, D5 or DDC.

The D5 is better for simple loops (will be fine for yours) due to its high maximum flow. It is also quiet. D5s are sold as MCP655 or PMP-450 (few others too). There are three basic flavours - PWM, Vario (5 speed settings) and Basic (runs at 4/5 of the vario)

The DDC is better at bigger and more complex loops due to its high head pressure. It is generally noisier than the D5 however it is also more compact. The DDC pumps are sold as MCP350, 355 35x (PWM) and PMP-400 (there are a few other names too).


Reservoir

Personal preference, does not impact performance. Bay reservoirs are harder to prime than tube type.

Fans

Loads of choices. To be honest it comes down to Gentle Typhoons aka GTs (good performance / noise ratio), San Ace / Panaflow / High Speed GTs (insane performance, jet engine noise) or anything else. Again, Martin is your man here - have a look at his Round 6 fan testing.


Tubing

This is where my knowledge tanks a bit. Do some research to see what is good at the moment.

As for sizing there are three choices - 3/8" x 5/8", 7/16" x 5/8", 1/2" x 3/4"

There is no performance difference between them, choose based on looks. Generally speaking the smaller tubing will be able to turn tighter corners than the bigger stuff.


Fittings

Barbs and clamps or compressions depending on your budget and preference. No performance difference.

For barbs match the ID of the tubing to that barb and the OD of the tubing to the clamp. The only exception to this is running 7/16" tube over 1/2" barbs, you don't need clamps.

For compressions match both the ID and the OD of the tubing to the fitting.
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The AZZA Genesis 9000 is one of the best for water cooling. Good choice.
If you only want a mild overclock, cooling the motherboard and RAM is unnecessary.
You cool two GPU's with fullcover blocks and an SLI bridge. I run mine in series, meaning one after the other. Some use parallel, meaning the loop splits to cool both of them and then reconnects. I don't think parallel is a good idea because it essentially cuts flow in half increasing the chance of dead spots in the block.
Yes, your parts are worth cooling. Kepler cards don't tend to get too hot, but it will be much quieter. And a 3930k oh god yes.
My entire loop cost around $550
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post #7 of 36
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Originally Posted by jhferero View Post

I am looking to cool the CPU, 2x GPU's and possibly ram / Mobo. Since i don't plan doing anything extreme, i suppose that I don't need to cool the Mobo or Ram?
Well, if you have socket 2011 or some other high TDP processors without amazing VRMs, you might need some additional vrm cooling to reach very high overclocks. Which motherboard do you have specifically?
Quote:
Components: EVGA SuperClocked GeForce GTX 680 2GB (SLI)
ASUS LGA 2011 Intel X79
Intel Core i7-3930K Sandy Bridge-E 3.2GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 2011
CORSAIR Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) In case you recommend cooling the RAM OR
CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) just not the LP /shrug
I'm kind of stuck at who i should get my ram from /shrug

For room purposes, ill link case i plan on using.
AZZA Genesis 9000 [/quote]
You should also consider the switch 810, it looks... classier.
Quote:
Since those are the components that need to be kept cool, i figure that is all i need to list.
What I am trying to get out of posting here for help is, Which components do I need to cool this PC? Do i need to even cool the mobo and ram if im not doing anything extreme? How do you cool 2 gpu's? What would you do? Are the components i picked out even worth cooling? (i think so). I would like not to spend a ton of money, but i know cooling 2 gpu's will run a few extra pennies.

Thank you for taking the time to read my post. I would like to thank everyone ahead of time for any expertise they can offer.
Also, all i will be using thet PC for is gaming, if that helps at all. Be gentle.
You have a 3930k for gaming?

You don't need to cool the ram, unless you are doing a suicide run. Decent case airflow should be fine for the RAM
To cool 2 GPUs, get an SLI bridge or Bitspower crystal link.
Your CPU is worth water cooling, if you want to overclock heavily or keep your system extremely quiet, or both and are willing to spend a lot.
Cooling two GPUs will run between $120 and $250 extra. If you want to go cheap, get universal GPU blocks.

Water cooling just the CPU will run you a little over $200. I know this because I am in the process of buying the parts to build a loop.
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Wow, thanks for all the replies! I knew after looking at that image gallery this was going to be a good idea! haha.

Ok, so what i got from all your inputs is that im only cooling the CPU and GPU, the components i want to cool are worthy, and my case is a good one to start water cooling. I did do a little research on water cooling and cases so that i have a little extra room since its my first build with water cooling smile.gif

Where to start!?! I don't want to buy anything cheap, never have, never will on hobbies of mine. When you do, it just leads to frustration. Anyway...

CPU Block: Who makes great / good ones?
What components do I need other than the block for CPU? If someone wants to take the time and explain some components that would be great, I am actively looking myself, so dont worry, im not trying to be lazy!
GPU blocks: Who makes great / good ones? I'm going to have 2 seperate blocks for this build.

Hoses: Great / Good ones? Stylish with lights? i want this build to look smexy.

Whats a valve? whats a fill port? whats a pressure valve?
I want compression fittings: Who makes Great / Good ones?

Am i asking the right questions? Am i asking too many? lol. TBH im getting pretty excited about this, i love this stuff.

Thanks.
Jim
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Originally Posted by jhferero View Post

CPU Block: Who makes great / good ones?
IMO, the XPSC raystorm is the best value, but you could also see what you can find used. I would get what looks nicest, if I were you, but look at Stren's CPU block roundup if you want to get the best possibly performance. Get a DT direct if you are insane. tongue.gif
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What components do I need other than the block for CPU? If someone wants to take the time and explain some components that would be great, I am actively looking myself, so dont worry, im not trying to be lazy!
Pump (get an MCP655 or a variant or an MCP35X)
Reservoir (bay reservoirs suck, IMO)
Radiator (get a decent 480mm rad; the best one I have seen is the RX480, one of which I just bought)
Tubing (durelene and masterkleer are good; primochill advanced LRT might be good; get 1/2" or 7/16" if you are using barbs)
coolant (get distilled water, unless you want something fancy)
Quote:
I want compression fittings: Who makes Great / Good ones?
I think Bitspower is known for making good ones.
You can go with barb fittings as well, if you don't mind using clamps.
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i want this haha
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