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Want to join the Korean IPS fun, but need advice on running one with my setup.

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Well, here I am bumbling my way onto a new (to me) message board, so I apologize in advance for any rules I might be breaking with this big fat post, but I don't think I'll ever have any confidence in this without getting some serious help. And if anyone can, its you guys. (I've already been doing some reading here.)

MAIN QUESTION: Assuming its possible without buying a whole new motherboard & processor, what is the cheapest way to be able to properly run one of these 2560x1440 Korean IPS displays on my older rig? In other words, I need help picking the right graphics card. Is it even possible to be sure without some trial and error?

Here's what I think I know so far.

ASUS]ASUS P4P800S-x motherboard (with a Pentium 4, and 2G RAM, AGP 8X port)

– up to 3.2 GB of DDR400 (have 2GB)

– up to 3.6 GHz (have 3.0 or whatever a Pentium 4 can do)

– AGP 8X

– Serial ATA (SATA) with up to 150 MB data transfer, though I only have Parallel/IDE hard drives.

– "install only +1.5V cards"

Currently sporting a Radeon 9600. Here's some specs from the box, even though they don't always match with what I find online when searching for this card. (Mine tend to be slightly better, though not good enough.)

– Core Clock 325 MHz; RAMDAC 400 MHz; AGP 8X; TV-Out; DVI (not dual-link?); D-Sub; 256 MB; 128 bit; model name RW9600-256D; And of course it only goes up to 2048x1536.

Oh, and I'm still running XP. Don't laugh, you know you still love it. tongue.gif I had Windows 8 for the first week it was available, but ended returning the computer.


Green-Sum even weighed in on the subject for me. (I thanked him for his efforts.)

"Unfortunately, we are not experts of graphic cards. As long as a graphic card has more than 1GB VRAM and DUAL DVI-D port, it is compatible with the monitor. However, the manufacturer does not recommend using the monitor with laptops or Mac products."

He also mentioned in answer to another question, "The item has HDMI 1.3. Also, it doesn't have HDCP support." (I think HDMI 1.3 should still be fine for like blu-ray players and the like. I don't even have one though. How important is having HDMI 1.4 or 2.0?)

WORKLOAD AND OTHER COMMENTS:

My Radeon 9600 isn't going to cut it lol, but I don't know if my board can even handle anything on the "compatible list" you'll find posted with many of these displays. It also says "Compatibility of VGA" so I'm not sure where that leaves me. Ultimately, for a system this old, cheapest is best for this old machine. Cheapest, and surest. Yeah, I know, I should just get a new computer, but I need to save up for a while...

I guess I could also mention I don't really plan to do much, if any, 3D gaming. The most lifting its having to do is Illustrator CS6, Inkscape, and maybe some Blender or even light video editing. (I can deal with waiting on file rendering.) Might try to make it my movie screen, but that's not important. Also, (sorry, this is pretty long now) will applications even look good at high resolutions? For example, 2560x1600 is the same as the 13 inch MacBook Retina, and supposedly Illustrator CS6 looked crappy on it, until Adobe basically redeveloped it for high dpi displays, so... I'm wondering if the "standard version" would look better on essentially a Retina Display stretched to 27 inches, or if I would have to get the Illustrator update. (I probably will anyway, just to test it.) My hope is that this will be kind of a nice "in between" monitor, to use for today's applications, as well as the sure-to-arrive (now that Apple's wetting the masses appetites) "high dpi compatible" applications.

Sorry to burden other people I don't know with this stuff, but after a week or two of going through random sites like the links below, and not really getting anywhere, I have to take more drastic measures.

Anyway, thanks to anyone and everyone who bothers to look into this stuff and for any comments in general!


(RANDOM LINKS)
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091101110810AAJVwJo

http://www.makeuseof.com/answers/graphics-memory-computer-handle/
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It's unfortunate but AGP is pretty much dead. In order to get a new graphics card you would also need a new motherboard, cpu, and RAM.
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Hey I appreciate the response. smile.gif Just to clarify, you're pretty certain that even an AGP card that supports 2560x1440 (and has 1G of RAM) still won't work? I'm pretty sure something like that exists... but yeah, I hear ya on AGP being a thing of the past.

On one hand I'd almost be relieved, as that would make my decision for me (to either get a cool monitor now, or save up for a while, and get a cool computer much later), and on the OTHER hand I don't want to just give up the idea without being absolutely certain, and no offense, but it seems like you might be taking a guess. tongue.gif Perhaps not, but I'm looking for concrete mathematical reasons why it can't be done. lol, I sound really anal, sorry, I'm not even upset! Ha! I imagine you're probably right, but perhaps you could give me a few more details so I can sleep at night? lol

If I can't get a one of these nicer monitors I'll have to settle for a bottom of the barrel IPS monitor in the 150 to 200 dollar range. (Because my old CRT is burning my eyes out of my skull!) wha-smiley.png

EDIT: I did test out an IPS monitor (1920X1080) using an HDMI cable with a DVI connector, and that worked fine, so I'm wondering why a little more resolution makes it impossible...
Edited by MR HOBS - 2/7/13 at 8:35am
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lol, I can almost hear the groan in that post. Thanks though! So is that really the cheapest than? I suspected it might be one of those 100+ dollar cards I'd need, but I was hoping I was wrong. If that's all there is, than you're right, not quite worth it heh. I suppose I can always shop around and hope to get lucky. You think there are similar cards I could try shopping for as well?
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It looks like i double posted and i don't know if you can see them both i'll add another:


For 2560x1440 you need a Dual Link DVI cable because the amount of pixels it is pushing is over the bandwidth a single link DVI cable can carry.

Ie: You can download text fine on 56k but pictures take forever. This just wont work.


EDIT: This card MIGHT work: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161318


Edit 2: That 60 dollar card WILL work.
Edited by Shiftstealth - 2/7/13 at 8:47am
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post #8 of 9
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Yep, noticed the double post, but that's cool, and I checked out both cards you mentioned. You're right, that second one MIGHT work, but with less than an ideal amount of RAM. In any case, this helps me a great deal in figuring out what I'm going to do.
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Note that any monitor without HDCP will NOT play well with copy protected content, (i.e. bluray movies) and will downgrade video to 480p if it plays at all. Just fair warning. Similar to the age issue of your AGP machine, a few early adopters of HDTV's can't use them with any HD gear, even set top boxes won't play HD content in many cases.

Good luck!
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