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Wrong, just pin a program to your taskbar as normal. Problem solved.

And then I'm wasting space on a taskbar that already fills up quite easily for me...Ever had 50+ tabs open on a 1080p screen in Chrome? They get kinda small and hard to tell which is which, my taskbar does the same quite often with just two pinned applications...Why should I have to waste space just because MS took a feature out to prop up their failing mobile division?
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Its kind of funny because his question equates to:

"How do I open straight into previously opened files without using the existing facilities provided specifically to enable me to do that? Hmmm?"

The obvious answer is to just use the darn facilities provided specifically to enable you to do so buttkick.gif


"How do I open this door WITHOUT having to waste energy turning the door handle?? Hmm? HMM??"

Except that logic is like saying "Why are you complaining about having to use square tyres? THEY WORK FINE!"

MS had a perfectly usable solution previously, this is like if they took the door handle off and decided to put a wet bar of soap there and then have people wondering why they complain its harder to open. You're defending something that has less features than the original solution overall, every Win8 thread is filled with the same people arguing about stuff that hasn't been removed or offering worse solutions...I've ran Windows 7 with the taskbar in the previous Vista style since launch, I hated pinned applications from day one and never really thought it was useful but I've always had the option to not use them.

Want to know why I don't use it? I fill up my taskbar regularly with only two pinned programs (Chrome and Foobar2000), if I pinned all of the programs I normally run on it (Facebook Messenger, ImgBurn, Steam, Command Prompt, Notepad, Calculator, Paint, DVD Decrypter, Handbrake, MakeMKV, Word, Excel, Guitar Pro, Audacity, Notepad++ and various others) then I'd have literally no room for anything on there.
I'm sorry that you don't get this despite me having said it many times to you, but not everyone has the same usage style as you...What works for me won't work as well for you, but I'm not pigheaded enough to assume my way is perfect and the way everyone should go. thumb.gif
    
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And then I'm wasting space on a taskbar that already fills up quite easily for me...Ever had 50+ tabs open on a 1080p screen in Chrome? They get kinda small and hard to tell which is which, my taskbar does the same quite often with just two pinned applications...Why should I have to waste space just because MS took a feature out to prop up their failing mobile division?
Except that logic is like saying "Why are you complaining about having to use square tyres? THEY WORK FINE!"

MS had a perfectly usable solution previously, this is like if they took the door handle off and decided to put a wet bar of soap there and then have people wondering why they complain its harder to open. You're defending something that has less features than the original solution overall, every Win8 thread is filled with the same people arguing about stuff that hasn't been removed or offering worse solutions...I've ran Windows 7 with the taskbar in the previous Vista style since launch, I hated pinned applications from day one and never really thought it was useful but I've always had the option to not use them.

Want to know why I don't use it? I fill up my taskbar regularly with only two pinned programs (Chrome and Foobar2000), if I pinned all of the programs I normally run on it (Facebook Messenger, ImgBurn, Steam, Command Prompt, Notepad, Calculator, Paint, DVD Decrypter, Handbrake, MakeMKV, Word, Excel, Guitar Pro, Audacity, Notepad++ and various others) then I'd have literally no room for anything on there.
I'm sorry that you don't get this despite me having said it many times to you, but not everyone has the same usage style as you...What works for me won't work as well for you, but I'm not pigheaded enough to assume my way is perfect and the way everyone should go. thumb.gif

Uh, use the collapsed pin option then, so they're in a menu when you hover over the program on the taskbar. Don't complain about your lack of initiative in using settings available to make your small screen resolution work for you.
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I suspect Win8 will not be a great commercial success but it won't be a flop either. There are things I'd like to see changed (would love to get aero back) but it works for me and I love the new style.

Pretty much agreed. On the spectrum between success and failure, I think Windows 8 will do just fine. It won't create sales records, but it is by no means a bad OS.
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I was trying it on a fresh install of win8 & drivers on a new SSD, but Origin is installed on a separate drive which may be the issue. So my next question:

Does anyone use Origin on a separate drive from C:/ or the default?

Origin does't like being on another drive.

OK, how did this even end up in this thread?
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Pretty much agreed. On the spectrum between success and failure, I think Windows 8 will do just fine. It won't create sales records, but it is by no means a bad OS.

Agreed as well.

Windows 8 doesn't need to create records to be a good OS. That will not make it a failure as it is in fact quite good.
People will get around to changing eventually.
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Uh, use the collapsed pin option then, so they're in a menu when you hover over the program on the taskbar. Don't complain about your lack of initiative in using settings available to make your small screen resolution work for you.

You know, I've actually never heard of that feature before and it sounds interesting. Thanks.
How is 1080p small, by the way? I hardly have a small screen resolution, I just multi-task like crazy.
    
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Give windows 8 one year and then it will be decent.
Most legit answer I've seen so far rep+1
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Actually there is a difference. One big enough to justify switching at that.

Article: http://www.hardcoreware.net/windows-7-vs-windows-8-performance/

This doesn't get emphasized enough. Windows 8 should be a 'must buy' for any gamer, especially if you have an AMD CPU.

No. That review is anything but definitive. Why ? Because you are comparing apples to oranges. If some of the features will be available (some already are in a preview version) for free for Windows 7, then the best moment to compare the two is to wait until both are on the same page. That is what someone who doesn't want to spend money unnecessarily would do.

This is what I said about this review in its news thread:
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Interesting article.

There are a few things the reviewer missed (some of them because things constantly change and the article was probably written before):

1. He should have tested the Piledriver CPU with Windows 7 with and without the scheduler patches. As it turns out, sometimes Windows 7 performs better without them [Edit from Feb. 2013: Tom's Hardware tested this scenario].

2. In the Windows Components Performance comparison, testing the results of the IE 9 engine in Windows 7 against IE 10's engine in Windows 8 is kind of pointless in the scope of this article (otherwise comparing IE 9 vs IE 10 would be valid) because IE 10 will be made available for Windows 7, and indeed a preview version is already available, so final conclusions should only be made when you can compare apples to apples, and in this case you will be able to do it.

3. Also in the Windows Components Performance comparison, it should be noted that a preview version of the Platform Update for Windows 7 Service Pack 1 and Windows Server 2008 R2 Service Pack 1 (KB 2670838) has just been released, and that brings to Windows 7 some features of DirectX 11.1, along with the Windows Imaging Components (WIC) features from Windows 8, which can alter one of the benchmarks, since it is specifically stated it's being used (it's also mentioned in the conclusion), so the test should be redone when the final Platform Update is released to make an apples to apples comparison.


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Pretty much agreed. On the spectrum between success and failure, I think Windows 8 will do just fine. It won't create sales records, but it is by no means a bad OS.

Windows Vista, just before the release of Windows 7, had a market share of around 19% and around 400 million Internet users. Sounds decent, right ? Yet it is considered a flop, especially when you consider that it only has less than 6% market share now, so being a successful product is very relative.

History in the making has all sorts of conflicting data; the people using the OS because they had no other choice because the PC came with it say one thing, the market says another thing (it's selling because people need a new PC), and Microsoft says yet another thing, to obviously defend their product. Read this paragraph from Wikipedia about Windows Vista:
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As a result of these and other issues, Windows Vista had seen initial adoption and satisfaction rates lower than Windows XP.[8] However, with an estimated 330 million Internet users as of January 2009, it had been announced that Vista usage had surpassed Microsoft's pre-launch two-year-out expectations of achieving 200 million users.

But in the end the picture is clear, Windows Vista was a flop. Yes, after computers began shipping with 2 GB of RAM, and Microsoft issued a few patches, even before Service Pack 1, it was reasonable, and then after Service Pack 1 and Service Pack 2 and then the Platform Update and the Platform Update Supplement, consumers got quite a few new features, so Microsoft did a good job catering to those who upgraded and it can be considered a good OS, also with the help from updated and improved drivers from all sorts of hardware manufacturers, but that is mostly irrelevant now.

Let's not forget that Microsoft also patched Windows ME, yet what people retain is the horrible stories from the beginning. The same with Windows Vista, so much so that Microsoft even implicitly admitted that their customers / potential customers didn't like Windows Vista when they resorted to the Mohave experiment. The fact that people moved away from Windows Vista so fast is telling. Yes, it sold many millions of copies, but selling your product to disgruntled customers doesn't last long and is certainly not a good long term policy. If you don't make things right the next time they have to buy a PC, they might start thinking about alternatives.

With Windows 7 Microsoft learned the lesson: they listened to their customers, they improved the UI, improved performance and ease of use. I still remember installing the Beta and it just worked, it installed all the drivers seamlessly, I just maximized the dialogue box and looked at it with satisfaction and said to myself "now this is an improvement !, this is how it should, be, a well made OS, with intelligent analysis, a comprehensive database of drivers (some of them being automatically downloaded), and an easy way to start working without worrying about getting things ready." The OS felt ready, it just worked, it looked beautiful, the UI had almost all things in the right place (a big improvement over Vista which had small but annoying UI elements missing / hidden / put in a weird, non intuitive / practical / useful place). It was mostly ready too, the only difference between the Beta and the Release Candidate was more of a surprise that made things even better: Windows XP mode. Microsoft was clearly committed to making the best OS possible, and they succeeded and were rewarded by happy customers.

Now compare that to Windows 8 and the release. They lost their ways again. The OS development was a mess, they made so many UI changes between public releases it's not funny, it showed they still had a lot of work to do, a lot of ideas that needed to settle down, it just didn't feel like a ready concept, but they had to release it anyway because they couldn't afford to lose more time to Apple and Google, I had and have the feeling I was using Beta software all along and the problem is, it still is. Sinofsky implicitly said it in his goodbye letter when he mentioned that a lot of things were still to come.

Now combine this with the launch itself: Surface RT is expensive, the base model doesn't come with a keyboard included in the price, Surface Pro was not released at the same time - heck it still hasn't! - and the reviews are mixed to say the least, they opted to irritate their hardware partners by producing their own hardware instead of working with them: result: they had no experience in retail selling these things, they are not selling well, so in the rush to sell more units they go even more against their partners by competing with them in major retail outlets, the partners are constantly postponing the release of new models, touch models, which is supposed to be the focus, are just not ready, the Atom platform took a long time, etc, etc, and to add insult to injury, a Nokia engineer showed the world that the apps were easily hackable (there goes the excuse to discontinue the gadget platform on the same excuse).

Some of this is not Microsoft's fault, but it all adds up to making first impressions and those are what count. With Windows 7 Microsoft made sure to make a good impression, all the way since the Beta release, with Windows 8 it's the exact opposite.
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First impressions are not what count.

Building a solid foundation for the future is what counts and as long as they build on it, it can be a "failure" all it wants.

Vistas "failure" caused great things to happen for Windows 7, without even really deviating that far away from the basis of what Vista actually was, because Vista was not a total failure. It was built on, not scrapped.


Sure it can be refined, but it's a brand new project in a brand new direction for the company. That just leaves a lot of potential to be unlocked. More room for "we did this and this and this and this" at their next big conference.

Then there's their hardware. That doesn't need to be a platinum medal winner either. Their OEM partners are the people who give them their income. Its the OEM partners who need to do well and overall, Windows 8 tablets have been reviewing remarkably well for first passes.

A company like Acer who basically suck to anybody who knows enough about computers has already made a pretty good name for themselves in this new area of Windows computing. Lenovo are also attacking it heavily.


As much as people would love to think Windows 8 not doing blockbusters is a huge deal, it really isn't.
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I'm so sick of Vista comparisons. No matter how bad people think W8 is.... it has nothing on Vista. It's proof enough that it has a good amount (and growing) of people supporting it. I'll say it yet again; Vista is the main reason W7 saw such an early bump in use. If W7 was as bad as Vista, people would be flocking to W8.

Personally, I'll have 2 W8 PCs in my house (out of 5) in a week or so, I have 1 now. The first upgrade was done because the wife wanted to try it on her i5 Viao touchscreen. It turned out to be fantastic, since she rarely used the screen when running on W7. My new build will have W8, mainly because I only have OEM W7 keys now, and I don't like W7 so much that I will spend twice the cash to avoid Mobo locking. That comes standard on W8, so I'll take it.
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