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I am aware of how to search...it is just that some times I don't remember the name of something. If I have a Start menu and I know I need to use one of the less used Tools for Quick Test Pro I will have it sitting right there. In the Start screen I would have to first search out the install folder for Quick Test Pro and find the exe I am looking for since there is no actual "Tools" folder in the install folder. The tool exe's are hidden all over the place. I don't even know if I could find some of them in Windows 8.

Is it usually a big deal? No, hell no. It is just evidence that If you are doing more than opening the same few applications over and over (like you would on a tablet) the start screen is not a very useful tool when compared to the old start menu.

Exactly. Sometimes I wonder what kind of computer users come to this forum to comment. They have everything they need in one Metro screen and then just games on Steam ? I honestly don't understand how someone can praise a new UI that scatters space wasting tiles all over the place instead of having everything neatly and automatically alphabetically organized inside folders you can browser through quickly. A UI that needs you to "clean the house" permanently as you install new applications is not a good UI. Windows should be decent at stock, the Start screen isn't.

How can people possibly think this is better ? The search function is a basic abomination like I previously said, the basic colour, flat layout is nothing but a concession to tablets' hardware and the workflow is clunky to say the least. Why would you possibly want a fullscreen app to know how is the weather ? Why can't the taskbar be visible when browsiing the Start screen / live tiles / using Metro style apps ? If a download has finished, if a file copy operation has finished or needs your attention, if you have new mail in Outlook, if Steam has a notification for you, if your Anti-virus has a notification for you, if an application needs your attention (flashing icon), you won't know because the system is oh so well designed (not !) and doesn't let you know what is happening on the desktop and switch seamlessly by just clicking on the appropriate icon / notification in the taskbar.

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I really like Windows 8, it makes me like Windows a lot more now. I never used the start menu which people so misguidedly complain about. I like that there is better support for multi-monitor setups and the tiles are nice to look at and use, even with a mouse.

The people who worked to develop this Metro style for Windows are HCI (Human Computer Interaction) experts, so I always find it odd that some random person sitting on a keyboard will be bashing away what is developed with great time, care, and research.

Misguided ? LOL I have been using Windows 8 since the Developer Preview. If you had too, you would have known that they made a substantial amount of changes to the UI throughout the public releases, which is telling their ideas were nowhere near ready for the market, they needed more time for ideas to settle down. Also, other experts disagree with those experts, whose qualification, "great time, care and research" by the way, I'll just have to take your word for, because you are also just another random person sitting at a keyboard.
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It also leave those things always sitting on your start screen when you leave your computer. You have to log out and log in every time you leave your computer to have any sort of privacy in a work environment.

I have no problem with any sort of positive change, but it must be positive, going to go with tizen when it comes out for phones. For me, because I do not have short attention span disordered, do not need to have everything sitting right there begging for my attention. When I need email, I just open email. When I need calendar, I open calendar. But in order to use the start screen properly, you are required to get an Microsoft account. With out an microsoft account, windows 8 start page is 100% pointless. Which is why they did it, to gain market share for their services.

.....have you actually tried getting a microsoft account? My "Microsoft" account is my yahoo email from 2001. I've since added my gmail account too. It doesn't make you use msn or hotmail.
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I hear less complains from people migrating to MacOS from Win and back than Win7->8.
And then we have iOs, and Android etc.

Imho, beachin for the start menu and the full screen launching apps, it is just pointless whining..."i would take any UI change, but my start menu? noooo that was the last drop!"

At the same time, people get used and adapted to countless UI nonsense differences dealing with identical issues, from Games, to Office and Adobe Suite, to much more complicated UIs with 3D CAD/graphic content creation software...as soon as you think some things were solved, ppl prove you wrong, and it get especially frustrating if you are working simultaneusly on more than one app, where in A case the right click is orbiting and the center is command sub-menu, or spacebar is "end command" while for the other is repeat last command etc etc as if the programmers were trying too hard to differentiate from the competitor instead of helping you.

Would I prefer Win8 to have a "classic" theme that would make it look like Win 2000? Could be the case (that's how win7, vista and XP was running on my machines)...but I also like it that the MS people made a statement with Win8, and all the old dogs are hauling for having to learn new tricks.

Or, you know, it's just pain slower and annoying to work around.

Lets put square wheels on everyones cars, they do work after all and the round tyre is just so old now.
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I adopted Windows 8 Pro for the sake of comparing the two (7 Ult & 8 Pro) in gaming applications, honestly I have seen performance changes that favor the newer OS, however in regards to simple media playback, I find it awful, initially double clicking any audio file will give you the FULLSCREEN Xbox Music App, not exactly user friendly if you happen to be browsing the web or enjoying a game of FTL. I personally share a love/hate relationship with Windows 8. I can only hope they make further improvements once SP1 rolls out.

you can change that. i wish they had the default desktop apps instead of forcing the user to use the tablet approach. that's the only thing wrong with the OS. Everything else just screams "better then 7".

That's what annoys me so much about it, it has so much potential...The new task manager is great and I personally love Ribbon on Explorer, there's a tiny bit of extra performance for everyone and security is vastly improved...Then they had to stuff it up by trying to prop up a failing mobile division because no-one at MS has the foresight to realize Mobiles won't completely take over and that business computers are 1) A spot they already have a monopoly in and 2) Going to remain just as popular as ever, even if laptop and desktop sales go down further (They won't, the amount of people who get a tablet then decide to completely replace their desktops and laptops with it is pretty small from what I've seen and heard) then they'll always have that, there's many easier business avenues they could have pursued as well; most people already have an iPhone or Android device and are unlikely to switch due to already having apps for those phones and WP8 doesn't offer enough over them to really warrant switching to it. Could I end up like Ballmer saying the iPhone was going to be a flop? Sure, WP could explode in popularity...But as it is now, there isn't much reason to go to WP and it isn't likely to randomly explode in popularity.
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You know, I've actually never heard of that feature before and it sounds interesting. Thanks.
How is 1080p small, by the way? I hardly have a small screen resolution, I just multi-task like crazy.

Sorry, I just thought most people knew of that already, I didn't mean to be insulting. 1080p isn't particularly small... smile.gif.
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Windows 8 Adoption Increasing Among PC Gamers...
Peer pressure? rolleyes.gif

I'm going back to Linux I think. A lack of game support is a good thing for a student like myself.
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It also leave those things always sitting on your start screen when you leave your computer. You have to log out and log in every time you leave your computer to have any sort of privacy in a work environment.

I have no problem with any sort of positive change, but it must be positive, going to go with tizen when it comes out for phones. For me, because I do not have short attention span disordered, do not need to have everything sitting right there begging for my attention. When I need email, I just open email. When I need calendar, I open calendar. But in order to use the start screen properly, you are required to get an Microsoft account. With out an microsoft account, windows 8 start page is 100% pointless. Which is why they did it, to gain market share for their services.

You need an account to install apps from the app store, which is pretty much expected. You do not need an account to use Windows 8.

If you don't want those things left on your screen, simply don't put them there. You're not being forced to use them, it's there for the people who find them convenient and want to use them. I seriously don't get this mentality. "Oh, it's useless and actually bad for me, therefore it shouldn't be included even though someone else might find it useful."

The start screen at its most basic is simply a different start menu. It has enhanced functionality when coupled with live tile apps, but you are in no way required to use that functionality.
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That's what annoys me so much about it, it has so much potential...The new task manager is great and I personally love Ribbon on Explorer, there's a tiny bit of extra performance for everyone and security is vastly improved...Then they had to stuff it up by trying to prop up a failing mobile division because no-one at MS has the foresight to realize Mobiles won't completely take over and that business computers are 1) A spot they already have a monopoly in and 2) Going to remain just as popular as ever, even if laptop and desktop sales go down further (They won't, the amount of people who get a tablet then decide to completely replace their desktops and laptops with it is pretty small from what I've seen and heard) then they'll always have that, there's many easier business avenues they could have pursued as well; most people already have an iPhone or Android device and are unlikely to switch due to already having apps for those phones and WP8 doesn't offer enough over them to really warrant switching to it. Could I end up like Ballmer saying the iPhone was going to be a flop? Sure, WP could explode in popularity...But as it is now, there isn't much reason to go to WP and it isn't likely to randomly explode in popularity.

And their business customers are going to continue rolling out Windows 7, and wait until Windows 7 extended support ends in 2020 before upgrading again. If anything, now is the time for Microsoft to try new things, like getting into mobile, which is booming.

Although I agree, and I don't see tablets and smartphones replacing laptops and desktops, I do see people passing up a laptop or desktop upgrade to get a new tablet or smartphone, since the laptop or desktop does everything "good enough" for them, while a tablet or smartphone offers new versatility and functionality.

Not to mention, as some people have stated multiple times, there are occasions where having a tablet Windows 8 device is actually beneficial for their usage scenarios in a business. However niche it may be, it's still a market, and if they can make money, they should go for it.
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And their business customers are going to continue rolling out Windows 7, and wait until Windows 7 extended support ends in 2020 before upgrading again. If anything, now is the time for Microsoft to try new things, like getting into mobile, which is booming.

Although I agree, and I don't see tablets and smartphones replacing laptops and desktops, I do see people passing up a laptop or desktop upgrade to get a new tablet or smartphone, since the laptop or desktop does everything "good enough" for them, while a tablet or smartphone offers new versatility and functionality.

Not to mention, as some people have stated multiple times, there are occasions where having a tablet Windows 8 device is actually beneficial for their usage scenarios in a business. However niche it may be, it's still a market, and if they can make money, they should go for it.

But why do they need to sacrifice their current virtual monopoly in OS'? They could easily experiment but allow it to be usable for everyone.

Definitely, although when you factor into account people tend to just upgrade their PCs when they break I doubt sales will drop that much.

Agreed, I just wish they'd not sacrifice their main market to do so, much like how AMD and Intel make custom chips for some other companies.
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You know I read one article that says how great Windows 8 is doing then I read another article saying that Windows 8 is doing worse than Vista. Its at the point where I don't know what to believe anymore, except that I have no interest in Windows 8.

In any case it looks like roughly 8% of Steam users who participate in the hardware survey use Windows 8. Is that good?
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You know I read one article that says how great Windows 8 is doing then I read another article saying that Windows 8 is doing worse than Vista. Its at the point where I don't know what to believe anymore, except that I have no interest in Windows 8.

In any case it looks like roughly 8% of Steam users who participate in the hardware survey use Windows 8. Is that good?


It's quite simple, according to Microsoft Windows 8 is doing just fine, but then again they said the same thing about Windows Vista:
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However, with an estimated 330 million Internet users as of January 2009, it had been announced that Vista usage had surpassed Microsoft's pre-launch two-year-out expectations of achieving 200 million users.
- from Wikipedia.

Notwithstanding they also resorted to the Mohave experiment, which tells that it really wasn't doing that well. In any case, sales and customer satisfaction are not necessarily the same thing and have different implications.

As to Steam, relatively speaking, gamers are a minority among PC users, and are the most likely to have bought it for the improved thread scheduler and other under the hood improvements, and we're also more familiar with the ways to put back what Microsoft took away from Windows if we don't like it (even though you can't make it behave exactly like Windows 7).
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