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Great review. I think that M$ has done well here, but for the price, a touch cover should be included. I think that the lack of something like that and then expecting a customer to hand over an extra $100 is obscene. The battery life is also. I honestly think they should have waited on BOTH the RT and Surface and ironed out everything, including waiting on Haswell. It just won't leave early adopters with a good taste in their mouths when the 2nd gen Surface Pro comes out with Haswell and suddenly the thing gets over 10 hours of battery life and performs faster.

At least that's how I would feel having shelled out over a grand for a hybrid.
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Great review. I think that M$ has done well here, but for the price, a touch cover should be included. I think that the lack of something like that and then expecting a customer to hand over an extra $100 is obscene. The battery life is also. I honestly think they should have waited on BOTH the RT and Surface and ironed out everything, including waiting on Haswell. It just won't leave early adopters with a good taste in their mouths when the 2nd gen Surface Pro comes out with Haswell and suddenly the thing gets over 10 hours of battery life and performs faster.

At least that's how I would feel having shelled out over a grand for a hybrid.

indeed, however, technology will always improve and early adopters will always get screwed. To me though, this Surface Pro opens up a lot of opportunities in the mobile computing market. An Ipad/Android tablet just do not compete on this level of performance and accessibility. I think it's best that Microsoft bit the bullet and got something out into the market now, rather than waiting for Apple to "lead" innovation and create something first
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But can it run Crysis? nerdsmiley.png

Jokes aside, do any of you think it's possible to play lower end games? Such as, Minecraft, Half-life series, TF2 and et cetera?

Just look up any HD4000 review, the results should be similar for the same resolution. The HD4000 is the exact same iGPU on desktops and mobile. The limiting factor will probably be the CPU and how long the HD4000 can sustain its iGPU boost.

Or you can look up reviews of ultrabooks that use the same CPU.
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indeed, however, technology will always improve and early adopters will always get screwed. To me though, this Surface Pro opens up a lot of opportunities in the mobile computing market. An Ipad/Android tablet just do not compete on this level of performance and accessibility. I think it's best that Microsoft bit the bullet and got something out into the market now, rather than waiting for Apple to "lead" innovation and create something first

Early adopters always get screwed, and I agree, but there are different levels of this. I bought a PS3 in year one and spent a lot more than I would have if I waited another three years. But it was less than the cost of a blu-ray player and did way more for something like it in 2007. This is different, the lifespan is shorter and you KNOW it will be replaced by a technology coming down the pipeline later this year. That justifies a wait-it-out scenario for me. I think what makes it even more worth while to wait is the fact that there will be 3rd party competitors that improve on what M$ has here.

Oh and...
Apple will probably release something similar in the fall, and claim they did it first, then proceed to sue everyone.
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Early adopters always get screwed, and I agree, but there are different levels of this. I bought a PS3 in year one and spent a lot more than I would have if I waited another three years. But it was less than the cost of a blu-ray player and did way more for something like it in 2007. This is different, the lifespan is shorter and you KNOW it will be replaced by a technology coming down the pipeline later this year. That justifies a wait-it-out scenario for me. I think what makes it even more worth while to wait is the fact that there will be 3rd party competitors that improve on what M$ has here.

Oh and...
Apple will probably release something similar in the fall, and claim they did it first, then proceed to sue everyone.

yeah, from my point of view, it's not soo much that I want Microsoft to become a dominant tablet manufacture, I just want them to really move the market in the direction the Surface Pro is going. Apple always said there's a distinction between what a tablet should do and what a desktop (laptop) should do. I applaud Microsoft for actually creating its first well made, in house, device that actually has a chance at creating a new era in mobile computing. I would be even happier if Samsung came out with their own "Surface Pro" and upped the sleek design and screen quality.

The main thing is, it was a bold move for Microsoft, not only to join the hardware game, but to create something that is actually quite a huge risk, but can/will make a difference in how tablets are viewed as toys/work
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post #126 of 183
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Just like with everything in life, we can all agree that the people buying a Surface Pro will be the ones that know that it can meet their needs - myself included.

Exactly, it's a niche product that MS and a few users here are aping to be useful for everyone and the mainstream.
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But can it run Crysis? nerdsmiley.png

Jokes aside, do any of you think it's possible to play lower end games? Such as, Minecraft, Half-life series, TF2 and et cetera?

That's not a joke, a joke is defined as "A thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter, esp. a story with a funny punchline." and that stopped providing amusement or laughter in 2009.
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Definitely not. The Razer Edge Pro is completely aimed at being a gaming tablet.

Not at all sir, you will still be able to do anything windows related with the Razer Edge Pro. All it really is is a Surface Pro with a 640M Nvidia GFX processor inside and it will only cost slightly more than the Surface Pro.

Now if you REALLY want to talk about Production then the Surface Pro is already out of date in terms of what it can do.

Check out the Acer W700 and you will see what I am talking about. Now the W700 is technically a slate but they both have almost identical specs, but the W700 is sporting some extras that the Surface Pro is behind on.

This thing is killing the surface right now...


http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/model-datasheet/NT.L0EAA.005
    
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post #128 of 183
The surface doesn't need to be a killer product though tbh.

I see the whole surface thing as more of a proof of concept thing, as well as providing the marketing necessary to inform consumers about this next generation of similar products.

If the Acer Iconia does better than the Surface, then MS sells Windows licenses to Acer.

If the Surface does better than the Iconia, the MS sells hardware to the consumer.

If OEMs do better than the surface, then that's something they can use to boost their sales, therefore purchasing more licenses from MS.

If another OEM releases a product later that is a surface/x product "killer", that's another competitive market created right there.


Think about it.

Think about the reason Android is growing so fast right now. Its not because google said, "alright, screw everyone else, we're gonna release a single product and just win everything with that". They probably could do that, but that would stunt their growth massively.

Its growing because of the wide variety of products available to all who wish to use it. The competition between the OEMs only boosts that growth even further.

One OEM can only realistically release major hardware upgrades on a 12 month cycle, during which time, other things are happening that can steal interest/marketshare. Twelve OEMs can push the envelope in terms of refining the platform base all year round, as well as keeping your eco system in public view for a greater amount of time.


If anything, the Surface movement seems like more of a bluff to get OEMs serious about where Windows is going. All that "we may upset a few of our OEM partners with surface" could easily have just been a kick in the pants to boost them into making more than just bog standard boring clamshells for the next 20 years.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 2/8/13 at 2:01pm
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post #129 of 183
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Not at all sir, you will still be able to do anything windows related with the Razer Edge Pro. All it really is is a Surface Pro with a 640M Nvidia GFX processor inside and it will only cost slightly more than the Surface Pro.

Now if you REALLY want to talk about Production then the Surface Pro is already out of date in terms of what it can do.

Check out the Acer W700 and you will see what I am talking about. Now the W700 is technically a slate but they both have almost identical specs, but the W700 is sporting some extras that the Surface Pro is behind on.

This thing is killing the surface right now...


http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/model-datasheet/NT.L0EAA.005

Well yeah but.... it's an Acer...

How are you going to pick up any chicks when you're waving around an Acer product?
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Not at all sir, you will still be able to do anything windows related with the Razer Edge Pro. All it really is is a Surface Pro with a 640M Nvidia GFX processor inside and it will only cost slightly more than the Surface Pro.

Now if you REALLY want to talk about Production then the Surface Pro is already out of date in terms of what it can do.

Check out the Acer W700 and you will see what I am talking about. Now the W700 is technically a slate but they both have almost identical specs, but the W700 is sporting some extras that the Surface Pro is behind on.

This thing is killing the surface right now...


http://us.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/model-datasheet/NT.L0EAA.005

Look like a nice product and Newegg is OOS on it atm. I can't comment on it further because I haven't played with it at a local store(local BB carries Surface) but judging by the battery (54 Wh vs SPro's 42Wh) and that the Keyboard comes free of charge it does seem to be a good value package( for $999 consider you have to pay $129 extra to get the type cover for Surface but you do lose the SD slot and the Pen.
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