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lol, gimmicky resolution, you think that makes the ipad any more of a performance beast? Seriously dude, it's not even in the same league...You can't even run two different screens at once. Plug a Surface Pro, even a Surface RT, and run a movie on one screen and excel on another...

Unlike Ipad, I can download bittorrent, install Daemontools, utilize ISO's of any software that's ever existed, I can max Diablo 3, I can play TF2 near max, I can play Half Life 2 maxed..... then there's the obvious benchmarks.
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6695/52955.png
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http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6695/52972.png

it's not even in the same league....So as far as I see it, it's 4-5 times the performance, with real programs....not watered down apps, at half the battery life.
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lol, gimmicky resolution, you think that makes the ipad any more of a performance beast? Seriously dude, it's not even in the same league...You can't even run two different screens at once. Plug a Surface Pro, even a Surface RT, and run a movie on one screen and excel on another...

Unlike Ipad, I can download bittorrent, install Daemontools, utilize ISO's of any software that's ever existed, I can max Diablo 3, I can play TF2 near max, I can play Half Life 2 maxed..... then there's the obvious benchmarks.
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6695/52955.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6695/52957.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6695/52972.png

it's not even in the same league....So as far as I see it, it's 4-5 times the performance, with real programs....not watered down apps, at half the battery life.

Just wait until the Haswell variant is out....that's AT LEAST 8 hours of battery life to go with DOUBLE the iGPU performance of the Ivy Bridge HD 4000 compared to the Haswell GT3.... thumb.gif
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you didn't know. MOAR screws ====== superiority! lol
Ha my mistake! I'm going to buy a heap of screws now.
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despite the "weakness" of the ipad, it manages to drive a display with 50% higher resolution and also get almost 2x the battery life. in fact, the ipad display is higher resolution than the max output for the surface igpu (1440p).
Actually the max output is 2560x1440 which is more pixels than 2048x1536.
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Except that the iPad is not running an i5 processor....has a slightly higher capacity battery (by 2w I believe), and has a smaller screen which, regardless of resolution, still has less backlight real estate that has to actually be powered than the Surface Pro. You also can't compare the two devices apples to apples, because the Surface Pro's main competitor isn't the iPad.

As far as resolution....the Surface Pro can drive a 2560x1440p display. That is HIGHER than the retina resolution of an iPad 4, which is 2048×1536. Nice try though.
Whilst the iPad 4 does have less screen area, it does have a much higher resolution which requires a more powerful backlight. The iPad 4's display would definitely use more power than the Surface Pro's display.
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lol, gimmicky resolution, you think that makes the ipad any more of a performance beast? Seriously dude, it's not even in the same league...You can't even run two different screens at once. Plug a Surface Pro, even a Surface RT, and run a movie on one screen and excel on another...

Unlike Ipad, I can download bittorrent, install Daemontools, utilize ISO's of any software that's ever existed, I can max Diablo 3, I can play TF2 near max, I can play Half Life 2 maxed..... then there's the obvious benchmarks.
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6695/52955.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6695/52957.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph6695/52972.png

it's not even in the same league....So as far as I see it, it's 4-5 times the performance, with real programs....not watered down apps, at half the battery life.
It's not gimmicky at all. The pixel density is 264 vs ~207 which is noticeable. Not to mention the scaling on Windows 8 isn't great. Regarding multiple displays: that's only semi-accurate, as you can connect an iPad to an HDTV or display via HDMI and depending on the app, the main screen and second screen can display different content -- though you can't display one app the iPad and one on the TV, like with the Surface.

Max Diablo 3 on an HD 4000? I don't think so!

They're different products for different markets. It's 4x the performance, 1.25x the weight, 1.5x the price, and 0.5x the battery life. And if you were to play a game you'd kill the battery in 2 hours or so. But yes it has true x86 apps as opposed to tablet apps.
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Ha my mistake! I'm going to buy a heap of screws now.
Actually the max output is 2560x1440 which is more pixels than 2048x1536.
Whilst the iPad 4 does have less screen area, it does have a much higher resolution which requires a more powerful backlight. The iPad 4's display would definitely use more power than the Surface Pro's display.
It's not gimmicky at all. The pixel density is 264 vs ~207 which is noticeable. Not to mention the scaling on Windows 8 isn't great. Regarding multiple displays: that's only semi-accurate, as you can connect an iPad to an HDTV or display via HDMI and depending on the app, the main screen and second screen can display different content -- though you can't display one app the iPad and one on the TV, like with the Surface.

Max Diablo 3 on an HD 4000? I don't think so!

They're different products for different markets. It's 4x the performance, 1.25x the weight, 1.5x the price, and 0.5x the battery life. And if you were to play a game you'd kill the battery in 2 hours or so. But yes it has true x86 apps as opposed to tablet apps.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2013/02/12/surface-pro-can-run-diablo-iii-portal-2-other-aaa-games-why-isnt-microsoft-evangelizing-this/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57569066-75/surface-pro-as-a-gaming-rig-its-ready-and-able/
http://leviathyn.com/games-2/news/2013/02/07/a-list-of-playable-games-for-the-microsoft-surface-pro/

from the last link, here's a list of games you can play on low/medium
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Aion: The Tower of Eternity, Alan Wake, Alan Wake’s American Nightmare, Alice: Madness Returns, Aliens vs. Predator
Alpha Protocol, Anno 2070, APB Reloaded, ARMA II, Assassins Creed II, Assassin’s Creed: Brotherhood, Assassin’s Creed: Revelations, Battlefield Bad Company 2, Blood Bowl: Legendary Edition, Blur, Borderlands, Borderlands 2, Breach, Bulletstorm, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Call of Duty: Black Ops, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, Call of Juarez: Bound in Blood, Champions Online, Cities XL, Civilization V, Command & Conquer 4: Tiberian Twilight, Commander: Conquest of the Americas, Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, Darkspore, Dawn of War II: Retribution, DCUniverse Online, Dead Island,Dead Space 2,Death Rally,Deus Ex: Human Revolution,Diablo III,Dirt 2,,Dirt 3, DiRT:Showdown, Dragon Age II, Dragon Age: Origins, Driver San Francisco,
Duke Nukem Forever, Dungeon Siege III, Dungeonbowl, Endless Space, F1 2010, F1 2011, Fable III, Fallout New Vegas, FIFA Manager 12, FIFA Soccer 11
FIFA Soccer 12, Front Mission Evolved
FUEL, Ghostbusters: The Video Game
Guild Wars 2
Hamilton’s Great Adventure
Jagged Alliance – Back in Action
James Bond: Blood Stone
James Cameron’s Avatar: The Game
Kane & Lynch 2: Dog Days
Krater
L.A. noire
Lead and Gold: Gangs of the Wild West
Left 4 Dead 2
Legend of Grimrock
Legends of Pegasus
Lego Batman 2: DC Super Heroes
LEGO Harry Potter: Years 1-4
LEGO Indiana Jones 2: The Adventure Continues
LEGO Star Wars III: The Clone Wars
Lost Planet 2
Mafia II
Mass Effect 2
Mass Effect 3
Max Payne 3
Microsoft Flight
Might & Magic Heroes VI
Mini Ninjas
MTG: Duels of the Planeswalkers
Napoleon: Total War
Naval War: Arctic Circle
NBA 2K12
Need For Speed: Hot Pursuit
Need for Speed: SHIFT
Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising
Orcs Must Die 2
PCMark 7
Port Royale 3
Portal 2
Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands
Pro Evolution Soccer 2010
Pro Evolution Soccer 2011
Prototype
R.U.S.E.
Red Faction: Guerrilla
Resident Evil 5
Rogue Warrior
Section 8
Section 8: Prejudice
Serious Sam 3: BFE
Serious Sam HD: The Second Encounter
SHIFT 2 Unleashed
Shogun 2: Total War, Sins of the Solar Empire: Rebellion, Space Pirates and Zombies,Spec Ops: The Line, Splinter Cell: Conviction, Split Second, Star Trek Online, Star Wars The Clone Wars: Republic Heroes, Star Wars The Force Unleashed II, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty, Street Fighter X Tekken, Super Street Fighter IV Arcade Edition, Supreme Commander 2, The Darkness II. The Elder Scrolls V: SkyrimThe Saboteur. The Secret World, The Settlers 7: Paths to a Kingdom, The Sims Medieval, Tom Clancy’s H.A.W.X. 2, Trine, Tropico 4, Unstoppable Gorg, Virtua Tennis 4, Wargame: European Escalation, Wolfenstein, World of Tanks, World of Warcraft: Cataclysm, World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria


sorry about the big list, but I think it helps enforce that this isn't a skimpy tablet. nealy every single indie game you can think of is playable with the Surface. Pretty nice for a tablet

here's a guy playing Left 4 Dead 2 with a xbox controller
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_Hy6Z9zGno
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Looks neat, but I'd only be willing to pay $400 for it. It would probably be used as an overpowered netbook that could serve as an uncomfortably small laptop in a pinch, so it's only a little more valuable to me than a netbook.
Edited by willis888 - 2/13/13 at 3:45pm
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2013/02/12/surface-pro-can-run-diablo-iii-portal-2-other-aaa-games-why-isnt-microsoft-evangelizing-this/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57569066-75/surface-pro-as-a-gaming-rig-its-ready-and-able/
http://leviathyn.com/games-2/news/2013/02/07/a-list-of-playable-games-for-the-microsoft-surface-pro/

from the last link, here's a list of games you can play on low/medium



sorry about the big list, but I think it helps enforce that this isn't a skimpy tablet. nealy every single indie game you can think of is playable with the Surface. Pretty nice for a tablet

here's a guy playing Left 4 Dead 2 with a xbox controller
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_Hy6Z9zGno
I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm aware what the HD 4000 can do and I know it's reasonably capable with games on low or medium settings, but I was just saying that it can't max Diablo 3. On Ultra only 11-16 FPS is scored at 1080: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Diablo-III-Benchmarked.74918.0.html
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Microsoft Surface Pro Repairability Score: 1 out of 10 (10 is easiest to repair)

The battery is not soldered to the motherboard, so at least no soldering is required to replace it.
The SSD is removable — but you risk killing your tablet by trying to open it.
There are over 90 screws inside this device. We're proponents of mechanical fasteners, but this number is a tad crazy.
The display assembly (comprising of a fused glass and LCD) is extremely difficult to remove / replace.
Tons of adhesive hold everything in place, including the display and battery.
Unless you perform the opening procedure 100% correctly, chances are you'll shear one of the four cables surrounding the display perimeter.

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Pro+Teardown/12842/3

90 screws. Try to beat that, crApple. lmao. Maybe your ipad wouldn't be such a baby toy if it actually was a complex piece of technology and not a dumbed down brick of plastic and metal.
Two fans also. With all that performance under the hood, you gotta keep it cool. Goes to show what a kiddie toy the iPad is. No performance, so no fans. Deal with it, Apple boys.

Wow, there goes any chance at all I had of getting a Surface Pro...I'd want to be able to swap the SSD out so I can upgrade to larger sizes later down the track if I got one.

Before I get tonnes of people asking what the hell, no, it's not applicable for a normal consumer but it sure as hell is to me.
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lol, gimmicky resolution

Aaaand you just ruined any credibility for the rest of your post, as someone who has a phone with similar PPI (218PPI in my SGSII) I can tell you that the difference is very noticeable.
    
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Wow, there goes any chance at all I had of getting a Surface Pro...I'd want to be able to swap the SSD out so I can upgrade to larger sizes later down the track if I got one.

Before I get tonnes of people asking what the hell, no, it's not applicable for a normal consumer but it sure as hell is to me.
Aaaand you just ruined any credibility for the rest of your post, as someone who has a phone with similar PPI (218PPI in my SGSII) I can tell you that the difference is very noticeable.

Okay, applicable to you, not the normal consumer, because you're obviously not the normal consumer. Also, what about other tablets? How easy is it to replace the SSDs in those?

Also, given that you're not the normal consumer, it's also possible for you to safely take the thing apart.
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Looks neat, but I'd only be willing to pay $400 for it. It would probably be used as an overpowered netbook that could serve as an uncomfortably small laptop in a pinch, so it's only a little more valuable to me than a netbook.

Then get an Atom tablet. The price for the Surface is in line with other ultrabooks with similar specs.
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Also, what about other tablets? How easy is it to replace the SSDs in those?

For some reason people assume that everything they knew about tablets should just go out the window when it comes to these Windows 8 products.

Regardless of what some website rates the crackability of the hardware, tablets have never been something for people to open and upgrade components. So I'm not sure why anyone would've thought the opposite now.

Especially when its an ultrabook spec PC stuffed into a 10.6 inch tablet form factor. The engineering used to do so is obviously not exactly going to be your every day "unscrew this and unplug that" affair.
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Wow, there goes any chance at all I had of getting a Surface Pro...I'd want to be able to swap the SSD out so I can upgrade to larger sizes later down the track if I got one.

Before I get tonnes of people asking what the hell, no, it's not applicable for a normal consumer but it sure as hell is to me.
Aaaand you just ruined any credibility for the rest of your post, as someone who has a phone with similar PPI (218PPI in my SGSII) I can tell you that the difference is very noticeable.

Okay, applicable to you, not the normal consumer, because you're obviously not the normal consumer. Also, what about other tablets? How easy is it to replace the SSDs in those?

Also, given that you're not the normal consumer, it's also possible for you to safely take the thing apart.

What's the point of your post? I said that in my post and admitted it's only something that affects me, as for other tablets I'm still waiting to see...Although considering most of the ones I'd get would be convertables and not true tablets I'd imagine it'd be as easy to do as a normal laptop.
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Also, what about other tablets? How easy is it to replace the SSDs in those?

For some reason people assume that everything they knew about tablets should just go out the window when it comes to these Windows 8 products.

Regardless of what some website rates the crackability of the hardware, tablets have never been something for people to open and upgrade components. So I'm not sure why anyone would've thought the opposite now.

Especially when its an ultrabook spec PC stuffed into a 10.6 inch tablet form factor. The engineering used to do so is obviously not exactly going to be your every day "unscrew this and unplug that" affair.

Just like how a lot of people magically forget that it's simply a powerful tablet as the stuff that enables you to use it more like a laptop is utter crap. (Touch Keyboard doesn't work that well, fixed angle, etc)

There's also the fact I'm considering the Thinkpad Twist because it has all of the benefits of the shared laptop/tablet design without the negatives of a touch keyboard.
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