Originally Posted by Brutuz
"The "most people do not need a full x86 tablet" is a dead point, due to the fact that they never had a viable choice on the market before October 26th 2012."
Why? Tell me, what does the average person do that you cannot do at adequate speeds on a normal ARM tablet? The difference was the tablets before the iPad were literally laptops that could do less and were harder to type into, the Surface Pro simply adds on to that...It doesn't completely change the game the way the iPad and various Android tablets did.
I've looked into it heavily, you're the one who is assuming stuff too rapidly, once again: Give me reasons why a normal person would take one over a much cheaper Nexus 7, Nexus 10, iPad, etc. You're talking about your use which is not mainstream, you even said you preferred the ATIV which furthers my point that the Surface Pro just doesn't really have that much of a market, the other Windows 8 tablets/convertibles are superior. Also, if you're going to be complaining about 1.6KG then I have no idea how you manage to carry any of that around at all, I'm carrying heavy guitar amps, computers, etc all the time as part of my various hobbies, University work and my job...For the most part a convertable would be superior to the Surface Pro as it can fold into a tablet, but can still be pretty much a light laptop with a different hinge if you need to type. Is it for you? No, but you're not disproving what I was saying in that the Surface Pro is a niche product at best.
You said "They", who else are they? Deep Sea Angler Fish? Eagles? The CIA? Your analogy about PC gaming being worse thanks to the Xbox and PS3 doesn't work and only proves my point, PC gaming (Surface Pro) can do more than what console gaming (Nexus 7, iPad, Nexus 10, etc) can do...However that doesn't make it more popular as most people are fine with what the consoles do for gaming.
It's not, both are tablets when it comes down to it, both will compete...Not many users are going to look at the Surface Pro and think "That's not a tablet!"
You can hardly talk about ignorant posting, you're completely ignoring what I'm saying in order to go "BUT IT CAN BE USEFUL!!!!" without actually saying why, I've given valid reasons as to why most people won't have a use and all you've done is talk about how it'd be useful for you while trying to imply that I'm doing just that, unless you bring something solid to the table instead of your usual "ignore what they said, repeat what I said" strategy then I'm not replying again.
You want me to give you a reason why a person would choose an x86 running computer in the shape of/with the capabilities of a tablet, vs a Nexus 7?
You can't work that out for yourself?
I didn't "prefer" the ATIV, it simply released before the Surface Pro and I was jonesing lol. If it was available on time I probably would've bought one. Even now I'm still looking around to try different types out since there are so many options. Would be great if I could actually see a SP but that won't happen any time soon.
Why are you comparing how much you carry etc to what I do in my job? Who cares?
I'm not complaining about carrying around 1.6KG. You asked me why a person would want to use a SP over a thinkpad twist that is supposedly "better".
I gave you one.
Its larger and heavier and doesn't offer the same elegance in "on foot" usage that an actual tablet format provides. If you're actually a person who needs to use a laptop in an actual professional environment where a lot of movement and data input is needed, you'd know precisely what I'm talking about.
You can sling an ATIV or a SP in a cover with carry handles and walk around with it without too much heft or cumbersome dimensions hampering movement etc.
You are indeed being very ignorant in that respect by attempting to assert that the Thinkpad Twist is even slightly comparable in that respect. It isn't, by a long shot.
Asking me how everyone else would use theirs is to ignorantly assume that I would know. I can give personal use situations because its something that I've thought about and used to influence purchase of a similar form factor vs the laptop that turns into a tablet form factor.
If you want to know what other people would use it for, ask them
. Me not being able to answer for other people isn't a positive to your argument.
Your analogy about PC gaming being worse thanks to the Xbox and PS3 doesn't work and only proves my point, PC gaming (Surface Pro) can do more than what console gaming (Nexus 7, iPad, Nexus 10, etc) can do...However that doesn't make it more popular as most people are fine with what the consoles do for gaming.
Actually, you've CONFIRMED the point I was actually making, in that just because something is not the most popular thing doesn't make it bad or mean that nobody will want to use it.
Calling a Nexus 7/iPad "better" than a Surface Pro is ignorance. Plain and simple.
Tell me how I can install my Windows data entry software on a Nexus 7/iPad and I'll concede. Until then, I'll continue to believe that words like "better" work on a case by case basis, usually because different people have different opinions and needs.Edited by GrizzleBoy - 2/14/13 at 3:47am