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Anandtech's article actually covered that. At the time the Surface Pro was being designed, the 7w IB CPUs were not available, Microsoft was not aware of them, and they went with the best ULV components at the time.

Only Intel forgot to tell that in 7W TDP CPU runs at 800MHz, in any case 360 dolars Ivy Bridge ULV processor is not good solution for SurfacePro. wink.gif

http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/9/3856050/intel-candid-explains-misleading-7w-ivy-bridge-marketing

http://ark.intel.com/products/72015/

When it all boils down to the end, there is nothing strange that Microsoft intends to launch (early July) a cheaper version SurfacePro with new AMD Quad Core Temash APU. thumb.gif
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post #22 of 183
Looks good. About as I expected.

I'll pass until the Haswell's come out and there is a Surface Pro v2.
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I see this as like 500% the performance of any tablet, just with 65% of the battery life

It's not a Like for Like comparison considering this thing just decimates everything else in performance
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Agreed, as weird as it sounds, it shouldn't really be put up against iPad and other ARM/mobile based tablets, even though it is a tablet, it's a different class, the other win8 tabs are really the only other comparison and to a degree macbook air and ultrabooks.
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Anand does a good job of trying to pass the Surface Pro as a good device in this following paragraph,
while at the same time he keeps mentioning the bad things about it throughout the review. I don't know if he is trying to be politically correct, but I don't know how this can fare any better than Surface RT. Surface 2 Pro, in a few months, with Haswell, and ironed out kinks and bugs ? Perhaps. But then again, he is very smart about the way he phrases his conclusion:
See, he makes a comparative statement - "Surface Pro is an easier recommendation", but he doesn't actually recommend it. It's as if he doesn't really want to call things as they are. Yet he talks several times about Surface 2 Pro with Haswell later in the year. This is a comparatively similar situation to the Surface RT review. This is what he said about it:
All in all, I don't know how he can conclude this first iteration can do any better than Surface RT, for the reasons he alluded to in his Surface RT review, along with his last sentence in the conclusion of the Surface Pro review.
..........................


My take: this will be a niche product, which will be even more niche because a lot of tech savvy people will be waiting for a Haswell powered version with some of the other problems solved.


let me guess, you haven't used a Surface before?

I have a 64Gb surface RT, and other than the occasional performance hiccup, it's amazing. That kickstand....is certainly not a gimmick. You saying that gives me the impression that you've obviously never used one before for extended periods of time. Unlike other tablets, I never have to just sit and hold my Surface. I prop it up on the desk, fold down the keyboard, and boom, I have a secondary workstation next to my work PC.

Windows 8 still has too many bugs? Oh you mean it takes an extra second for it to realize its orientation....not a deal breaker.

Your battery life argument.....Compared to most laptops, this thing is right on par. The speed, it's portability, the design, mostly unmatched by any tablet/notebook.


and wait for Haswell? Guess that never phases purchases for the Ipads or Android tablets, where new iterations are released each year, or less, and mop the floor with its proceeding model
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post #26 of 183
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let me guess, you haven't used a Surface before?

I have a 64Gb surface RT, and other than the occasional performance hiccup, it's amazing. That kickstand....is certainly not a gimmick. You saying that gives me the impression that you've obviously never used one before for extended periods of time. Unlike other tablets, I never have to just sit and hold my Surface. I prop it up on the desk, fold down the keyboard, and boom, I have a secondary workstation next to my work PC.

Windows 8 still has too many bugs? Oh you mean it takes an extra second for it to realize its orientation....not a deal breaker.

Your battery life argument.....Compared to most laptops, this thing is right on par. The speed, it's portability, the design, mostly unmatched by any tablet/notebook.


and wait for Haswell? Guess that never phases purchases for the Ipads or Android tablets, where new iterations are released each year, or less, and mop the floor with its proceeding model

I'll paraphrase you: let me guess, you didn't read all the quotes from Anand's review, did you ? All the criticism comes from somebody (Anand) who has been using Surface RT for the past 3 months.

The kickstand is not ideal unless you use it on a table, and even then the fixed angle might not suit everybody, this is what Anand said, and given the design of the thing, it doesn't surprise me he came to that conclusion when he actually tried to use the tablet in various situations in which you expect to use a tablet, namely while sitting on a sofa, which is actually one of the most common scenarios for tablet usage.

Windows 8 has many bugs ? Ask Anand, not me, he said it, and gave examples of more than the one you cite and even said he already wrote about his issues with Windows 8 before.

And battery life, actually it's not on par, especially when you compare it to Ultrabooks. That is what you should compare it to. Approximately the same weight, same CPU power, about the same price. DailyTech made a resume of some on-line reviews, which paint an even worse picture than Anand's review:
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Michael Prospero/Laptop Magazine: Microsoft estimated that the battery life of the Surface Pro would be about half that of the Surface RT, and sadly, they were correct. On the LAPTOP Battery Test (Web surfing via Wi-Fi), the Pro lasted 4 hours and 37 minutes. That's about three hours less than the Surface RT (7:43), and about two-and-a-half hours less than the tablet average of 7:10.

Tim Stevens/Engadget: On our standard Windows battery rundown test, in which we fix the display brightness and loop a video endlessly to exhaustion, the Surface Pro scored just three hours and 46 minutes, despite having a 42.5Wh battery -- a third larger than the 31.5Wh pack in the Surface RT. That's just more than a third of the nine hours and 36 minutes the Surface RT scored, well lower than the similarly specced W700 (which managed seven hours) and short of every touch-friendly Windows 8 device we've yet tested.

CNET: If only the Surface Pro had excellent battery life. It doesn't. In our video-playback battery drain test, the Surface Pro lasted 4 hours and 31 minutes, regardless of whether the Type Cover was connected or not. That's not far off from some other high-powered 11- and 10-inch ultraportables, but it's a big step down the 6-hour mark on many ultrabooks. The Acer Iconia W700 lasted more than 7 hours despite having a similar processor.


And yes, wait for Haswell, Intel has repeatedly said Haswell will focus on power consumption, not to mention a better GPU, what more motives do you want ? This Surface Pro doesn't even have the newer 13w TDP (7w if considering SDP) IB CPUs. And recent history has shown that the first device doesn't really hold up well after a while. The first iPhone and the first iPad are good examples. And speaking of the Surface RT, it compared well to the new iPad (iPad 3), but Apple released a tablet twice as fast just before Surface RT, guess which one will be having hiccups sooner rather than later ? Oh wait, you already have occasional hiccups now.
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For me to get it they have to lower the price somehow, increase battery life at least 80% of iPad, reduce weight.
I love the fact i can take my iPad on the go and no matter what i use it for and how long i never have to worry about battery life.
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For me to get it they have to lower the price somehow, increase battery life at least 80% of iPad, reduce weight.
I love the fact i can take my iPad on the go and no matter what i use it for and how long i never have to worry about battery life.

But the iPad is a toy and the Surface Pro is a serious work device.
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Im also considering this or the RT verison I only need it to perform office and browse the internet. I have ipad macbook air macbook pro and 2x large pc's at home. I need this to fulfill the needs of the macbook pro/macbook air. I would like to replace the pro with this.
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But the iPad is a toy and the Surface Pro is a serious work device.

True!

In all seriousness, I'm not even sure if MS can or are "allowed" to make an all round blockbuster product as such. They'd probably just get a million anti-trust lawsuits.

If anything, it seems more like an opportunity for OEMs to try and boost themselves by competing with surface.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 2/6/13 at 6:13am
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