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Originally Posted by SquareDancer View Post

But the iPad is a toy and the Surface Pro is a serious work device.

Maybe not the best choice of words, but yes, they are very different animals.

Now maybe if the iPad (1, 2, 3, or 4) ran the same OS as the Mac Desktop, had removable storage, USB ports, and the same type processor as a desktop ... then a comparison between the iPad and the Surface Pro, and thus it's battery life will be vastly different, would be a good comparison.
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Originally Posted by lacrossewacker View Post

let me guess, you haven't used a Surface before?

I have a 64Gb surface RT, and other than the occasional performance hiccup, it's amazing. That kickstand....is certainly not a gimmick. You saying that gives me the impression that you've obviously never used one before for extended periods of time. Unlike other tablets, I never have to just sit and hold my Surface. I prop it up on the desk, fold down the keyboard, and boom, I have a secondary workstation next to my work PC.

Windows 8 still has too many bugs? Oh you mean it takes an extra second for it to realize its orientation....not a deal breaker.

Your battery life argument.....Compared to most laptops, this thing is right on par. The speed, it's portability, the design, mostly unmatched by any tablet/notebook.


and wait for Haswell? Guess that never phases purchases for the Ipads or Android tablets, where new iterations are released each year, or less, and mop the floor with its proceeding model

Kickstand=make Surface pro difficult to use type on while on lap, a weakness for something trying to pass as a laptop

You never addressed the lack of cellular connectivity for something trying to pass as a tablet.

The Temash(cheaper)/Haswell Y SKU(probably same price point) refresh version of this device with some kinks worked out is definitely worth waiting for.
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Kickstand=make Surface pro difficult to use type on while on lap, a weakness for something trying to pass as a laptop

You never addressed the lack of cellular connectivity for something trying to pass as a tablet.

The Temash(cheaper)/Haswell Y SKU(probably same price point) refresh version of this device with some kinks worked out is definitely worth waiting for.

since when was 3g/4g connectivity an issue? Pulling strings to me.....especially when Wifi is continually expanding in public areas.

and about typing on your lap....
that is true, I never type on my Surface RT with it in my lap, it's weird and the viewing angle just sucks. If i don't have a table around, then yeah, I'll just hold the screen up and use the touch screen keyboard.
But then again, WHAT tablet doesn't have this issue??
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Hard to pass up being able to actually do all your work natively on the Surface and have a i5 with DirectX/OpenGL and not a ARMCortex processor biggrin.gif
Different usage scenarios though of course.

6 Hours is pretty normal for most Ultrabooks with the same i5, 4GB, SSD combo so I do not see the issue personally.

Ya, I don't do any content creation on these portable devices. My work laptop is fine for that. I just do content consumption on my mobiles, so the ipad4 works well for that. A lot of .pdf, powerpoint viewing, images etc.
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since when was 3g/4g connectivity an issue? Pulling strings to me.....especially when Wifi is continually expanding in public areas.

and about typing on your lap....
that is true, I never type on my Surface RT with it in my lap, it's weird and the viewing angle just sucks. If i don't have a table around, then yeah, I'll just hold the screen up and use the touch screen keyboard.
But then again, WHAT tablet doesn't have this issue??

What laptop have this issue? For something trying to pass as a ultrabook/tablet hybrid it is not too much to ask for it to do everything both is capable off.
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What laptop have this issue?
Are you asking me what laptop has the issue of typing from your lap? Lol none. But then what laptop has the same form factor as the surface. Very few come close....only close. If you didn't want to use the keyboard, you fold it back and put the kickstand down, so it creates its own little platform on your lap, perfect for browsing the internet/movies
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Are you asking me what laptop has the issue of typing from your lap? Lol none. But then what laptop has the same form factor as the surface. Very few come close....only close. If you didn't want to use the keyboard, you fold it back and put the kickstand down, so it creates its own little platform on your lap, perfect for browsing the internet/movies

Surface Pro is good, I never denied that. But my point it still have improvement that need to be made for it to be a no-compromise Laptop/tablet hybrid:

1. cheaper(Temash) or better(Haswell ULV) CPU options to improve battery life.
2. ASUS transformer style hinged Keyboard dock to replace Type cover, so that it is more like a laptop in laptop mode.
3. 4G LTE connectivity, make it more like a Tablet in Tablet mode.
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since when was 3g/4g connectivity an issue? Pulling strings to me.....especially when Wifi is continually expanding in public areas.

and about typing on your lap....
that is true, I never type on my Surface RT with it in my lap, it's weird and the viewing angle just sucks. If i don't have a table around, then yeah, I'll just hold the screen up and use the touch screen keyboard.
But then again, WHAT tablet doesn't have this issue??

ASUS Transformer series. The price for their keyboard attachment (which is about the same as the Surface's) is a little more justified since it has extra ports and a battery.
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ASUS Transformer series. The price for their keyboard attachment (which is about the same as the Surface's) is a little more justified since it has extra ports and a battery.

I think you are missing the point with the surface pro being X86... the transformer is not. I think the pro is a good product i might pick up one and see how it is to use dai:)ly.
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Anand does a good job of trying to pass the Surface Pro as a good device in this following paragraph,
while at the same time he keeps mentioning the bad things about it throughout the review. I don't know if he is trying to be politically correct, but I don't know how this can fare any better than Surface RT. Surface 2 Pro, in a few months, with Haswell, and ironed out kinks and bugs ? Perhaps. But then again, he is very smart about the way he phrases his conclusion:
See, he makes a comparative statement - "Surface Pro is an easier recommendation", but he doesn't actually recommend it. It's as if he doesn't really want to call things as they are. Yet he talks several times about Surface 2 Pro with Haswell later in the year. This is a comparatively similar situation to the Surface RT review. This is what he said about it:
All in all, I don't know how he can conclude this first iteration can do any better than Surface RT, for the reasons he alluded to in his Surface RT review, along with his last sentence in the conclusion of the Surface Pro review.

For an Ultrabook replacement on the move (tablet) how does the lack of a 3G / 4G option sound ? He wouldn't say, although he did mention the fact:
Thickness and weight:
Kickstand is as of now more of a gimmick that has limited practicality:
The trackpad isn't great:
Type Cover still misses keystrokes:
Surface Pro is too expensive for a device that doesn't come with a Touch Cover or Type Cover:

Regarding the Surface Pro pen and the implementation:

Windows 8 still has too many bugs:
Caption:

DPI scaling on the desktop (necessary on a 10.6-inch 1080p screen) doesn't really work very well:
The screen doesn't come calibrated, so if you want to take advantage of its true quality, you have to use calibration software (which, as far as I know, is not exactly free):
The cameras are, well, crap (the photos speak for themselves):
Battery life just says: Haswell can't come soon enough.

Battery life: 6 hours web browsing, 5.25 hours 720p video playback (1080p video benchmark would have been useful since this has a 1080p screen, so you might just want to copy a 1080p video from a laptop or desktop without having to convert it to 720p) and 3.85 hours in Windows 8 Notebook Battery Tests - Medium workload.


My take: this will be a niche product, which will be even more niche because a lot of tech savvy people will be waiting for a Haswell powered version with some of the other problems solved.

what is with you negative nancies? microsoft is filling an inbetween void, if you dont like what thier doing then move along.
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